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qball 11-25-2015 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by Herman (Post 2016786)
No hat, no landing.

There'd be a lot of guys doing requal in the sim with that policy😜

300SMK 11-27-2015 04:07 AM

Is this just a Delta thing? Is it due to the psych test and hence the people we hire? We have use or lose policy, only an idiot would show up sick.

300SMK 11-27-2015 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 2016279)
It's not.

It's a red herring dreamed up by management that they expected ALPA to pass in an effort to squeeze more blood from a stone(efficiency) out of the pilots.

The machiavellian maneuver by management and served to us by ALPA would have worked had the pilots voted yes. We didn't.

Unfortunately we are still discussing the merits of this red herring. It needs to stop.

We are currently under the sick leave program management "had to have". They can live with it.

I have moved as far as I'm willing to move on sick leave.

This ^^^^^^^^^^

Herkflyr 11-27-2015 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by 300SMK (Post 2017645)
Is this just a Delta thing? Is it due to the psych test and hence the people we hire? We have use or lose policy, only an idiot would show up sick.

In a weird way yes. I have always contended that there are two types of sick leave "abusers" and DAL mgmt is perfectly happy with one type of them. They are the guys who somehow take it almost as a badge of honor never calling in sick...just like there are guys who also seem proud of the fact that they call in sick once a quarter whether they need to or not.

It is pretty simple. If you even have to ask the question "do I think I can tough it out even though I am a little under the weather?"....CALL IN SICK AND DON'T GET YOUR FELLOW PILOT SICK.

GunshipGuy 11-27-2015 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 2015931)
Just finished a two-day with the Captain hacking up a lung the entire trip. :confused: #awesomeness :mad:

I think I heard this guy in the media room in the crew lounge. Man, that guy sounded like he was dying! I was grateful he didn't show up in the cockpit for the start of the trip.

Imapilot2 11-27-2015 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 2016783)
All I see are short sleeve shirts, no horse blankets, no wonder you guys are sick. London Fog is still in business. Sheess.....


Has nothing to do with getting a virus.

badflaps 11-27-2015 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 2017784)
Has nothing to do with getting a virus.

Don't try to tell that to Moms..

Imapilot2 11-27-2015 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 2017811)
Don't try to tell that to Moms..

Now that I'll agree with. Making sure Billy goes outside with plenty clothes on so he's not back in in 5 minutes and Dad can have a little alone time with the wife. You got that right ;)

GogglesPisano 11-27-2015 02:02 PM

There are advantages to being a neurotic, frequent-hand washing germaphobe.

Hrkdrivr 11-27-2015 02:48 PM

I never got lectured in Indoc or by CPO not to use sick leave. I sicked out of two trips while on probation. Scared the hell out of me but I had no choice. Got the flu once and a wicked head cold the next time.

The second time, on the "backside" of the cold, I commuted down the night prior hoping I'd be better at show-time. When I went to bed the night prior I knew there was no way so I called scheds that night.

I asked them if they'd rather someone make the call early or try to see if they can tough it out. Her response was emphatic, "the earlier the better;" obviously it makes it easier for them to fill the line. Had to go see the CPO the next morning to get permission to non-rev back home. Me in the CPO office: "Sorry I'm not going to shake your hand, I'm sick." CPO: "Then what the hell are you doing at work?!?"

I never heard a thing about either sick-out except auto-generated emails detailing the need to call in well, and how you could WS/GS and pay back your sick bank if you flew on days of a rotation that were removed for the sick-out if you got healthy in time.

Oh, both times, I got sick because the Captain(s) on my previous rotation(s) flew sick, so it ain't just new FOs spreading the love.

TexanDriver 11-27-2015 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr (Post 2017891)

I never heard a thing about either sick-out except auto-generated emails detailing the need to call in well, and how you could WS/GS and pay back your sick bank if you flew on days of a rotation that were removed for the sick-out if you got healthy in time.

On the two sick calls I had during probation I got phone calls from the CPO checking up on me. Both sick outs were verified too, so I guess phone calls are standard for probies?

scambo1 11-28-2015 02:28 AM


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 2017692)
I think I heard this guy in the media room in the crew lounge. Man, that guy sounded like he was dying! I was grateful he didn't show up in the cockpit for the start of the trip.

Back in the days of 737-200, I got called for a gs and so did the Capt. We show up for a 3 day, and he barfed To DCA and back to ATL. I was 100% solo. When we pulled into the gate in ATL, I said to him, either you or me are off the plane. He got up and called in sick.

I wouldn't say he was gracious but, he knew I was right. He should've never showed up. I didn't get sick from him.

DeadHead 11-28-2015 03:03 AM


Originally Posted by Boatbuilder (Post 2015799)
We keep hearing about the small minority that supposedly abuses sick leave. I'd like to bring up the other side of the coin, pilots that fly sick.
As an 88 FO I put up with sniffling, coughing and sneezing captains for 10 long years. I took numerous colds home to be shared with my wife and daughter.

Well no more.

I'm posting notice of my sick personal sick leave abuse policy now that I occupy the left seat. Show up sick to fly with me and I'm having you pulled from the trip. No joke. No excuses.
Please make the call. BEFORE the trip. You aren't doing anybody any favors coming to work when you are not 100%. No your fellow crewmwmbers or your passengers.

You must be a treat to work with. :rolleyes:

dragon 11-28-2015 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by TexanDriver (Post 2017976)
On the two sick calls I had during probation I got phone calls from the CPO checking up on me. Both sick outs were verified too, so I guess phone calls are standard for probies?

I know they routinely call on your first sick out as a new hire. Usually it's to make sure you understand the process.

index 11-29-2015 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 2018124)
I know they routinely call on your first sick out as a new hire. Usually it's to make sure you understand the process.

Yep, the CPO is just trying to be helpful to make sure they "understand the process." Because I'm sure this wasn't discussed more than 100 times in INDOC. They know the sick pilot must be under the added stress of trying to figure out such a confusing "process"..."should I call in well when I'm well"...or "does the company assume I'm well for my next trip and I have to call in sick for each trip"???? It's just so confusing.

Thank goodness we have the CPO to help us "understand." After all, they're just trying to help, right?

Boatbuilder 11-29-2015 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 2018035)
You must be a treat to work with. :rolleyes:

I am as long as you don't show up sick. :cool:

Piklepausepull 11-29-2015 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 2018124)
I know they routinely call on your first sick out as a new hire. Usually it's to make sure you understand the process.

25+ years and I got my first call this year! Guess I'm not using enough of my sick time!:cool:

Imapilot2 11-29-2015 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Piklepausepull (Post 2018416)
25+ years and I got my first call this year! Guess I'm not using enough of my sick time!:cool:

your right

Cycle Pilot 11-30-2015 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by nohat (Post 2016655)
I'm glad those Mentors above are teaching our new hires correctly, but that was not the case for the individual I flew with.

Please don't paint all us mentors with a broad stroke just because one mentor was giving you bad info. We stress with our new hires over and over that if you're sick, call in sick.

Hank Kingsley 11-30-2015 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 2018035)
You must be a treat to work with. :rolleyes:

If he asks the FO for a rectal temperature, that would be clearly over the line.


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