The company doesn't need stuff. WE already gave them a lot of STUFF, most of which they have NOT returned.

They are making BILLIONS, while we are still being paid 18% BELOW 2004 pay rates! I already gave them $1.4 Million in my DB plan, and $100K per year in pay cuts! I'm not giving them SQUAT until they have restored ME to my Pre Bankruptcy pay/benefits.

And you want to fly on your Vacation days? :rolleyes:

Timbo,

I don't want to fly on my vacation days. If I wanted to make more money, I'd bid down to 7ER FO.

The company does need stuff. Ask any ER FO how much stuff they think the company needs. I'm pretty sure that every one I've flown with this year that was hired within the last 10 years made more than me last year. They were unbelievably short last summer.

If you think I would give them anything without proper compensation and protections, you are very wrong. I filled out survey to reflect that I wouldn't take any concessions, that I was willing to strike, and wait 99 months for an industry leading kick-ass contract.

That survey doesn't allow for that and I would like to send in suggestions to my reps to consider other things than what was presented in the last TA.

If they send us the same crap in a watered down version, I'll be ****ed, and be totally onboard with the DPA. I filled out a survey last year and didn't want to fill out this one. This is their last chance, so I'm trying to help them out.

Allowing guys to fly on vacation, after all the white slips go out, in exchange for 150-200 new hires per month and other things, is something I would consider before sick leave verification, medical release, giving back FO/LCA flying, or any other scope giveaways.


If there are other things you would consider in lieu of these things, let your reps know.

How does hiring 150-200 per month help any 25 year 777 F/O who can't upgrade to 777 Captain because those guys are all flying on their Vacation days? Oh yeah, and Delta is parking 747's, so we have those lost highest paying jobs to account for. Oh, and they are still NOT in compliance with our JV scope EASK measure.

Oh, and they just bought 49% of Aero Mexico.

And you want to help out? Why? Good for YOU?

Step back and look at the big picture.

You have to look up the list to see the net effect on staffing when you start giving away concessions, not just down at new hires, because schist rolls down hill.


PBS has already given the company 20% more utilization out of the pilots than when we had a 75 hour cap. That came to us in Bankruptcy, and now guys are typically flying 92 hours a month, instead of 75, and you want to let them fly on their vacation days too? Why? Are we still in Bankruptcy?

Was the company cancelling trips last summer due to no crew, or were they giving out too many GS?

If it was the former, they should have started hiring sooner. Their bad, not ours.

If it's the latter, they were still making more money last summer than at any time in the history of aviation, so it's not really a problem, is it?


I'll say it again, the Company has NO PROBLEMS!

They are making more money PER QUARTER, than at any time in the history of civil aviation. They are only throwing this 'We have a staffing/sickleave/whatever problem' at us now to be a distraction to Restoration!

I'll be worried about solving their problems after they solve MY problems! Restore my Pay and Retirement and Medical to pre-bankruptcy levels, and THEN we can start talking about THEIR problems.

Like I said before, I can contract anything you want. If you want me to put it in writing that each category is guaranteed 5% advancement per year, per month, per whatever, in exchange for flying on vacation, just give me enough ink.

If they don't do it, we stop flying on vacation AND have legal standing not to do it. In the mean time, we have a contact without those other concessions.

All we have to do is think outside of the box....


.... and let ALPA know more of the same (even in a diluted version) will mean they will be out on the street.

,,,,, Tim,

I know you. And I know you know me. Please, stop saying I want to help out. You should know better and if you don't, ask somebody.

So...why are you promoting the Fly on your Vacation Days idea?

I like the, "RESTORE THE PROFESSION" idea, especially when the company is minting money and buying back stock.

Because, I think it's possible we can get more (a lot) in exchange for doing it on a temporary basis.

dalpa history does not bear out an iota of confidence in that metric of exchange.

DALPA history didn't bear out us shooting down this TA either, did it?


I sense there is a new sheriff in town.

If t had been a 99% no vote maybe I would share your pov.

But as You indicated with the post that started this thread.... the 'new' sheriff..... still has barney fife as a deputy.