Originally Posted by Hawaii50

I know. Everyone's giving him a bunch of crap but if I read what he's saying correctly, he's not happy with the staus quo, doesn't want to be put on the shelf, and thinks we need to find ways to create more leverage to avoid being put there. I have to agree with all that if that's what he's saying.

Originally Posted by Hawaii50

I know. Everyone's giving him a bunch of crap but if I read what he's saying correctly, he's not happy with the staus quo, doesn't want to be put on the shelf, and thinks we need to find ways to create more leverage to avoid being put there. I have to agree with all that if that's what he's saying.

Originally Posted by ghilis101

MD,

Our scope is not for sale. Our work rules are not for sale. Our QOL is not for sale. Our PS is not for sale. Bottom line is most of us are digging in for the long haul and we're content with it. We'll continue to make money, and if we dont have a new contract next year I dont care. We'll have our current contract protections (if you havent noticed, the company doesnt want to improve any of them, they only want to take them away) and when the non-contract employees raise a fit over our 2017 PS checks, a token pay raise will trigger 3B4 or else youll see union drives.

Im not interested in the company coming back to the table unless they stop insulting us, questioning our integrity (sick leave), and they give up on trying to take concessions in this environment. Your anxiousness is based on the perception that the industry is going to tank... But remember if youre betting against the forecasts of every analyst and all of delta management (stock buybacks and all), youre in a very very minority. Come on over to our side. We'll take care of you because we all know management sure wont.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter

Sometimes the delivery of the message or even the sender's identity interfere with the intended reception. When SFMD says something to the effect of "They're offer of a substandard TA and than stalling too negotiate are contract should make us reconsider working so hard under an expatriated corntact." we are likely missing a valid point.

We shouldn't be so excited about carrying a backpack during times of drawn out negotiation.

65% of us preferred C2012 over NA15, but we expect better. Let's not be so excited about going the extra mile while working under an amendable agreement until the company goes the extra mile for us. When the contract became amendable, so did my interest in going above and beyond.

Originally Posted by Timbo

I can't wait to hear what our 'Customer Engagement' talk is going to sound like if this thing drags out too long.

"Hi there Mr. HVC, have you seen the papers? Yeah, can you believe Delta is STILL paying it's pilots 18% LESS than in 2004? Oh, I know they just made $6 Billion, but can you believe we STILL don't have a viable retirement plan? All the while the CEO just got a 22% raise and is using the Billions in pilot concessions to buy back stock! Can you believe these guys? Oh, hey, we might be late pushing back, we can't seem to find enough pilots to fly on the holidays..."

The ball is in Richard's court, we can do this the easy way, or the hard way, his choice. But this could be his "So Be It" moment, that he will be remembered for.

Originally Posted by LivingTheDream

FYI, I wasn't bragging about my PS... That wasn't the point at all...

The point was I am nearing retirement and I HAD to work my arse off to try and prepare myself for a retirement that will be significantly less than what was stolen from us... a retirement that would have paid me (based on last year) $240,000 PER YEAR... FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE! (AND PAID MY TOO YOUNG WIFE HALF THAT FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE!)... I certainly do not want to work this much in my last years.

Originally Posted by Maddogflier

The profit sharing will be about 3.75% more regardless of the overall profit. Will will lose about 2% because our share will be reduced by the 18.5% raise to the non contracts. I doubt 80 million dollars in profit sharing will be all that compelling to the company when we are asking for close to a billion a year in total improvements.

Originally Posted by Elvis90

Profit Sharing: "Let it a ride". The company really doesn't like us cashing in.

Originally Posted by DAL73n

I think you have your numbers mixed up. The failed TA had $1.05 Billion in total compensation over 3 years and per the companies numbers (supposedly validated by ALPA bean counters) our opener would cost $1.6 Billion over 3 years - we're talking about 350 million/year vs 533 million/year. BTW, Delta did $2 Billion in share buy backs last year and total debt is down around $7 Billion with Delta approaching (or already at) investment grade on their debt.

Originally Posted by Maddogflier

You need to recheck your numbers. Our opener is a increase in costs of 1.5 billion A YEAR by the end of the contract. The failed TA was 500 million a year at the end. That's a 1 billion dollar increase. A simple glance at the a 40% raise is 1 billion a year alone. I hope we get it but the board will fire EB if he grants it.