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How's the sailing been?

MikeF16

I took this from the UAL TA passed forum, I have not personally verified the info is correct. That said, I don't think there's a plane out there where TA1 would've paid a better rate than what UAL is now getting without giving up any concessions. Unless of course you consider a boatload of concessions and a 6% trade of PS for pay rates the same as a flat 6% raise without concessions or a PS trade. Then the pay rates are pretty close.

No idea why I copied the exact same file and I get an error message the file is too large, when it is nicely embedded on the UAL post. I promise no rickroll if you click.

Maddogflier

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Maddogflier

A letter is out with the exact number. The TA puts them 14.2% above our current rates. We would have been 14.5% higher had the TA passed so slightly above. The profit sharing programs are very different but if today profits were the same would produce a similar result. Two huge difference betwwen the program's however. Their profit sharing does not increase as revenue goes up if the airline grows and it's not pensionable. The pension part purs our PS near 25% this year.
The numbers that need to be researched our their overall pilot costs verses ours. I know that Delta management will kill to have the United reserve system. I would vote no on anything like that system. It would be a huge job killer on the international side.
I just don't get the excitement about the UAL TA. I was hoping they would leap over our TA. Their TA is not going to help us much if at all.

Schwanker

Who gives a flying hoot about our failed TA. It sucked. And you conveniently left out we were paying for our own raises by giving up profit sharing plus several other concessions. UAL didn't give up any of the BS the TA had in it.

3 green

Still too low..Should have been higher in my opinion.

Timbo

Given that in 2004, the Delta rate on the 777 Capt seat was $319, AND we had a 60% FAE retirement plan, AND the company had never earned more than $1 Billion in a year, I'd have to agree that those 2018 rates are too low.

Even if you throw in the profit sharing, it won't be enough to replace the value of the 60% DB plans we had, and look how many Billions our airlines are making today.

Scoop

Correct for rates but if you adjust for the PS trade our TA included it would have put us up about 8.5% in compensation due to the 6% PS trade.

The other important trend to note is that both FDX and UAL reached similar pay-raises to our failed TA without significant concessions.

Scoop

GPullR

You guys need to go big so we can test out this snap up clause, and hurry, has to be done by Jan 2018!!!!

Hank Kingsley

TASS, aka the Deltanet, puts the UAL pilots slightly below our rejected TA. While RA is pulling down a cool $20 million a year, well ahead of his competition.