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Old 01-22-2016, 05:11 AM
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Default Speculation game: UAL TA & effect on DAL TA2

Anybody care to guess

1. Will the UAL extension pass?
2. What (if any) will be it's effect on DAL TA2?

1. My guess is it will pass. I haven't talked to a lot of people but my general feeling from the few I spoke with is it's going to get the nod.

2. I think management is looking at the UAL TA results. I think they care if it passes or fails and by how much. That said, if I had a magic wand to make it pass/fail by a lot/little, I wouldn't know how to wave it to make DAL management more likely to give us a better deal.
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Originally Posted by MikeF16 View Post
Anybody care to guess

1. Will the UAL extension pass?

Yes

2. What (if any) will be it's (sic) effect on DAL TA2?

Doesn't raise bar that much. Relies on Delta pilots to do heavier lift. Unsure if the Delta "me too" is what everyone thinks it is.

1. My guess is it will pass. I haven't talked to a lot of people but my general feeling from the few I spoke with is it's going to get the nod.

2. I think management is looking at the UAL TA results. I think they care if it passes or fails and by how much. That said, if I had a magic wand to make it pass/fail by a lot/little, I wouldn't know how to wave it to make DAL management more likely to give us a better deal.
If it passes, hope for a slim margin. My guess 75-25 Yes.
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79% passed according to a United thread
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79% passed according to a United thread
Thanks. I guess that only leaves bullet 2 in question.

Was it too overwhelming, thus encouraging DAL management to aim for that 51-49 and give us a more aggressive counter?
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Originally Posted by MikeF16 View Post
Thanks. I guess that only leaves bullet 2 in question.

Was it too overwhelming, thus encouraging DAL management to aim for that 51-49 and give us a more aggressive counter?
DAL Chairman's letter just confirmed the UAL TA passed. No concessions. Average 14.2% higher rates than DL, very similar profit sharing retained. Looks like we finally have a stepping stone. At this point an "aggressive" stance from our management is likely to backfire badly. I won't be surprised if they try as there is no accounting for stupidity and ego issues. However, I'm optimistic we'll see an agreement before I'm an OldRetiredFlyGuy." OFG
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At the very least it validates that trading profit sharing (to the tune of 6 of the 14% "raise" they were offering by Jan 1) in addition to concessions on OE and sick would have been foolish.
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Anyone have UAL's new rates?
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Anyone have UAL's new rates?
Overall they are lower then our failed TA. They are higher on a few fleets like the 767-400 but lower on the aircraft that make up the bulk of our fleet like the 757/767. They are well below what we should be shooting for in the next TA.
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Take the APC rates X 3% then take thar number and X 13%.
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You need to compare the cost of the contract, not simply plane-to-plane. Bottom line is the UA contract pays its pilots collectively 14.5% more than ours. Don't miss the forest thru the trees by focusing on specific plane-to-plane comparisons. Different fleets/sizes render 1-to-1 comparisons inaccurate.
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