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gzsg 05-03-2016 07:15 AM

Full Retro to First Buy Back
 
I was wrong to say we must have full retro to 1/1/16.

We need and deserve full Retro to the day of the first multi-billion dollar stock buy back.

All of the Delta pilot's concessions should have been fully restored before one penny was wasted on stock buy backs.

This type of greed is unacceptable.

It is a lead we cannot follow.

JamesBond 05-03-2016 07:50 AM

merge please

gzsg 05-03-2016 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2121565)
merge please

Completely different discussion.

The reason you post is to lower expectations and carry management's water.

Somehow it is fine with you for Bastian to have his compensation increase by over 700% while the Delta pilot's concessions remain in place.

Let me ask you James, do you believe Bastian is correct in maintaining our concessions after 3 years of record profits while stuffing his pockets with $10s of millions?

I believe that runs counter to C.E. Wollman's legacy and destroys our culture.

gcap 05-03-2016 09:11 AM

I think that it is time to reinstate the retired pilot's pension plan.

JamesBond 05-03-2016 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2121622)
Completely different discussion.

The reason you post is to lower expectations and carry management's water.

Somehow it is fine with you for Bastian to have his compensation increase by over 700% while the Delta pilot's concessions remain in place.

Let me ask you James, do you believe Bastian is correct in maintaining our concessions after 3 years of record profits while stuffing his pockets with $10s of millions?

I believe that runs counter to C.E. Wollman's legacy and destroys our culture.

No it is the same tired tirade from you. Funny that anybody that doesn't fall lockstep with your diatribes is carrying management's water. I am not here to lower expectations, I am here to discuss where we are and where we can realistically go. You want to be a cheerleader for pie in the sky expectations. Your ultimatums will disappoint the group by (ironically) continuing those concessions you continually remind us all of.

We are in negotiations. Those bankruptcy concessions will go away once we agree on a new contract. Whining about them incessantly on a message board will not make them go away. And I said earlier, I couldn't care less about Bastian's compensation. I don't control that, I don't negotiate for that, and I certainly don't want my compensation tied to his. You want 10s of millions, become a CEO.

gzsg 05-03-2016 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2121651)
No it is the same tired tirade from you. Funny that anybody that doesn't fall lockstep with your diatribes is carrying management's water. I am not here to lower expectations, I am here to discuss where we are and where we can realistically go. You want to be a cheerleader for pie in the sky expectations. Your ultimatums will disappoint the group by (ironically) continuing those concessions you continually remind us all of.

We are in negotiations. Those bankruptcy concessions will go away once we agree on a new contract. Whining about them incessantly on a message board will not make them go away. And I said earlier, I couldn't care less about Bastian's compensation. I don't control that, I don't negotiate for that, and I certainly don't want my compensation tied to his. You want 10s of millions, become a CEO.

When you say our concessions will "go away" are you saying we will get our defined benefit pension back?

hockeypilot44 05-03-2016 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2121533)
I was wrong to say we must have full retro to 1/1/16.

We need and deserve full Retro to the day of the first multi-billion dollar stock buy back.

All of the Delta pilot's concessions should have been fully restored before one penny was wasted on stock buy backs.

This type of greed is unacceptable.

It is a lead we cannot follow.

Please stop posting. You have lost all credibility. Most of us see your name and just stop reading even if we do feel the same way as you. You are a big reason why the ALPA board was shut down.

IPAs 05-03-2016 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2121829)
Please stop posting. You have lost all credibility. Most of us see your name and just stop reading even if we do feel the same way as you. You are a big reason why the ALPA board was shut down.

I kinda of like Jerry's posts.

WhatNow 05-03-2016 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by IPAs (Post 2121859)
I kinda of like Jerry's posts.

I guess if you like someone who posts like a schizophrenic rabbit they are not bad!

FL370esq 05-03-2016 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2121533)
I was wrong to say we must have full retro to 1/1/16.

We need and deserve full Retro to the day of the first multi-billion dollar stock buy back.

All of the Delta pilot's concessions should have been fully restored before one penny was wasted on stock buy backs.

This type of greed is unacceptable.

It is a lead we cannot follow.

Ummmm....here is your problem.....we had a collective bargaining agreement (love it, like it or hate it) in place that was not amendable when the first stock buybacks were made. The company honored their obligations under our CBA and your latest topic is about as based in reality as Don Quixote tilting at windmills. It just ain't gonna happen. At absolute best, we would get any TA'd (and ratified) pay rate paid back to 1/1/2016 but, in reality, you would have better success playing pick-up sticks with your butt cheeks than you will of seeing a full retro paycheck, much less one oaying back to the first stock buyback.

Let's shoot for something realistic and rational.....like realigning sick leave renewal to one's hire date as a start.


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