boog123

If we have 2 flights in a day, both originally scheduled at 2:00. First flight runs 2:30, second flight goes 1:30 with a m/u remark of :30, how would we be paid?

I thought it would be 2:30 plus 2. Time card shows 4?

Justdoinmyjob

If they were during the same day, you should get paid 5:15.

FL370esq

Kind of an apples and oranges thing. Time card is correct for that scenario because it reflects your actual block time. If you were on a hard-time trip (as opposed to trip rig, duty rig or ADG trip), you would simply add your block time plus M/U time to get your pay/credit time --> 2:30+1:30+0:30 M/U). Clear as mud?

boog123

The 2 hour was hypothetical. First flight was 2:50, overflow by :30. Second flight was scheduled at 3:15, flew that at 2:45. Thus the minus :30. I assumed we would get 3:20 plus 3:15.

Now there was some credit in overall trip but it's a one leg first and last day trip. This was third day, so I thought that any overflight time was added to total.....

3:15 day one
6:10 day two
6:35 day three - over :25 but not increase in overall trip credit.
6:10 day four
3:00 day five

FL370esq

How a Delta pilot gets paid for a rotation is one of the great complexities of the universe. Scheduled block time, trip rig, duty rig, ADG and suit-up pay all have to be looked at to see how each affects the other. Without having your rotation in front of me, it is hard to say which of those was at play but, based on the times you posted (total block less than 26:15), it looks like your 5 day rotation was (at least) paid based on the ADG (5:15/day average daily guarantee). If the original rotation had a value greater than 26:15, you were most likely being paid based on trip credit.

If your original rotation showed a total credit value of 26:15, you were getting ADG. Therefore, you will not see that total credit number increase until your block time excceds 26:15 (add your actual block plus your minutes under). Because we agreed to an AVERAGE daily guarantee, rather than a daily guarantee, you have to look at the entire trip rather than just each day. It was better than the crap we had before (3 day trips that only credited 12:45) but we should be striving for a 5:15 daily guarantee and working the value up from there.

If your original rotation was credited at more than 26:15, it was likely being paid based upon trip credit which is common domestically, especially if you sign in early on day one and sign out late on day five. If so, you have to overfly your block time by an amount equal to the trip credit (each minute of overfly wipes out 1 minute of trip credit) before the overall pay for that rotation will increase.

Again, clear as mud? 😆

MikeF16

This is a 99% solution answer, my guess is there are probably a few cats and dogs I'm unaware of.

There are 3 ways you can be paid, you are paid the highest of the 3:

block + DH
TAFB (time away from base)
5:15 ADG

Without all the information, it looks like the trip you listed would pay out ADG of 26:15. Remember, it's not minimum daily guarantee, it's minimum AVERAGE daily guarantee.

dragon

Remember the TAFB number is divided by 3.5 so if your trip is paid that way, the only real way to make extra time is to be let getting back to base.

FL370esq

Not necessarily. Trip credit is based on TAFB but if there is only, say, 26 mins of trip credit and you over-block by 30 minutes, you have made it a "hard-time" trip. At that point, the more you over block, the more you get paid. However, a lot of domestic trips might have 5-9 hours of trip credit so then you are stuck with whatcha got unless you block in 4 minutes or more late which will start increasing trip credit. Trying to explain how we get paid to a non-pilot is an exercise in futility. Usually get that 20 ft stare in a 10 ft room.....like a dog watching television.

dragon

Excellent points, I just was making the point that trip credit is TAFB/3.5 not just TAFB. You bring up a good scenario though with a trip you think is a credit trip actually turning into a hard time trip.

JamesBond

I haven't actually thought about this stuff in awhile, but if I remember correctly isn't there a scenario where we hurt ourselves by getting an ADG of say 6 hours? That means pretty much every trip would essentially be hard time. If we were to get the trip rig lowered (to say TAFB/3 or even 2.5), it would be incumbent on the rotation construction folks to build productive trips or else they wind up paying us a lot of money to sit around the airport. Or something like that.