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Skittles9E 08-28-2016 03:37 PM

Changes In Scope
 
From a lowly regional guy whose relatively new to the 121 world, can someone concisely explain what Delta management has come forward with in regards to DCI scope in your contract talks? This might be in a thread somewhere but I've had no luck finding it.

I'm also not trying to start an argument, I think everyone is on board with you guys and gals holding the line on scope. I'm just interested to see what management wants and how that may or may not affect the regional model for Delta going forward.

gloopy 08-28-2016 04:31 PM

Very little details at this point. Almost everything you will hear as of now is speculation.

We do know they are attempting to nuke all our airline JV and theatre JV protections and move to a single, highly "flexible" global balancing system. IMO they wouldn't even waste ink on that if their intended net effect was anything other than reducing our jobs further, even if only by a little.

Domestically they finally conceded that SEA is a hub and will be treated as one IAW our PWAs existing protections for a hub. Basically it should help protect us from any attempt to resurrect the ALK code share abuse that has, through completely different reasons, largely taken care of itself for now. Locking that in now when its cheap and easy would be nice IMO.

As for RJ's, again we don't have much specific to go on, but "word on the street" is they want more large RJ's (CRJ900/EMB175/etc) likely in exchange for an almost identical seat count in the form of less 50 seaters they don't like, don't want, they want to park anyway and likely can't staff going forward in the first place.

Small rumors of "even larger" RJ's but if true its likely that is merely a throwaway item to begin the time honored process of getting us to accept the premise and start negotiating with ourselves. Pretty sure that would be met with outright revolt if it wormed its way into any TA, especially at anywhere near these pathetic (and already concession laden) pay rates, so likely this is a non issue.

Mesabah 08-28-2016 04:47 PM

The 50 seaters will be gone soon, ED insists that every Delta plane must have a first class.

gloopy 08-28-2016 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2190384)
The 50 seaters will be gone soon, ED insists that every Delta plane must have a first class.

What are you willing to give up to get that? :p

80ktsClamp 08-28-2016 05:41 PM

Apparently, the company's stance is that 50's will continue to get parked (planned down to around 100 at this point), and the C-series will begin to replace the 76 seaters.

tunes 08-28-2016 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2190411)
Apparently, the company's stance is that 50's will continue to get parked (planned down to around 100 at this point), and the C-series will begin to replace the 76 seaters.

great, so no need for any scope concessions.

Mesabah 08-28-2016 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2190415)
great, so no need for any scope concessions.

He left out the part where the 76 seater is replacing the 50 seater. So they want more of those.

gloopy 08-28-2016 10:39 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2190505)
He left out the part where the 76 seater is replacing the 50 seater. So they want more of those.

Limited time offer. Fleeting opportunity. Otherwise they'll re-engine them and staff them with all the pilots to pilot them. True story.

gzsg 08-29-2016 03:29 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2190373)
Very little details at this point. Almost everything you will hear as of now is speculation.

We do know they are attempting to nuke all our airline JV and theatre JV protections and move to a single, highly "flexible" global balancing system. IMO they wouldn't even waste ink on that if their intended net effect was anything other than reducing our jobs further, even if only by a little.

Domestically they finally conceded that SEA is a hub and will be treated as one IAW our PWAs existing protections for a hub. Basically it should help protect us from any attempt to resurrect the ALK code share abuse that has, through completely different reasons, largely taken care of itself for now. Locking that in now when its cheap and easy would be nice IMO.

As for RJ's, again we don't have much specific to go on, but "word on the street" is they want more large RJ's (CRJ900/EMB175/etc) likely in exchange for an almost identical seat count in the form of less 50 seaters they don't like, don't want, they want to park anyway and likely can't staff going forward in the first place.

Small rumors of "even larger" RJ's but if true its likely that is merely a throwaway item to begin the time honored process of getting us to accept the premise and start negotiating with ourselves. Pretty sure that would be met with outright revolt if it wormed its way into any TA, especially at anywhere near these pathetic (and already concession laden) pay rates, so likely this is a non issue.

Great post Gloopy.

IMO additional 76 seat jets for DCI is a done deal.

hockeypilot44 08-29-2016 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2190577)
Great post Gloopy.

IMO additional 76 seat jets for DCI is a done deal.

Hearing same thing. Park 50 seaters and add 76 seaters at a 3 to 1 ratio is what I'm hearing. Same play from last time.


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