gloopy

Lol agism. Yeah right I almost forgot we live in a fake zeitgeist of perpetual victimization etc.

Its not "agism" anymore than a mandatory retirement age is agism, or a minimum age for ATP is agism, or any other occupational age limits that exist all throughout society.

Plenty of airlines have done it that way and continue to do it that way. Internet hyperbole about being forced to change it because of age lawsuits is fake news. Age in class is 100% fair and the best way to do it (sorry to all the ninjas with 99XX last 4's) because the older pilots will be forced out sooner and have less time on the list. No one should go ahead of them simply because of a SSN. If its going to change but won't be changed to that, then I guess order interviewed is the second best, with an in class lottery being the next best.

Either way last 4 is just stupid.

gloopy

Other airlines still do it that way so they must not have gotten the memo.

gloopy

Exactly. Age should only matter for in class seniority.

badflaps

And maybe the chow line.

Denny Crane

Soooooo, say you have a class of 40 with ages ranging from 25-35. All things being equal, that 25 year old now has 39 pilots bidding ahead of him/her for the next 30 years....just because he’s the youngest?

I say use something a bit more arbitrary. Draw straws/numbers, use SSN or play musical chairs.

Denny

gloopy

Exactly. 100% fair, because that poor victim of victimhood will have more time to spend on the top of the list making more money. That poor victimized victim's career will be worth years (sometimes decades) more than the older people in their class.

Its by far more fair than the current system. Ageism lawsuits are fake news; this has been and continues to be the way places do it, so its obviously not a legal issue that matters in the real world (internet fantasy world notwithstanding).

A sensible middle ground could be to base it on who interviewed first. For those on the same day, use a random number generator app. But SSN is asinine.

MoonShot

Using your logic, they should go from least healthy to most healthy. Time of career left and all

SSN seems pretty random (and fair) to me. Kinda like drawing numbers from a hat, but it's already been done.

badflaps

Out of a class of 25, I saw maybe 15 at reunions, the rest I never saw again.

Denny Crane

You have a weird sense of logic. I pretty much disagree with your opinion that age does not enter into any hiring/firing decisions. Are you trying to tell me that companies/employers haven’t fired older workers to keep from paying them more and to cut down on benefit usage/retirement obligations? You are living in a bubble if you think that.

All things being equal in a new hire class, which I would hope we can agree on, drawing names from a hat would be the fairest way to determine seniority. Or, as you point out, base it on the order the job offers went out.

Denny

Edit: Is it the young guys fault he made good choices and was hired young? No. Why should he be penalized just because he is younger?

ShyGuy