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11-11-2017, 03:47 PM

#1781

Broncos

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For Fluck's Sake! 6 pages of debate about something that's not going to change? Back on topic people!!

11-11-2017, 05:22 PM

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When’s the next class start?

11-11-2017, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceberg

Is it still best if an entire class is between 30-35? The 30 year old takes a 30 year penalty because of age? Does it make it fair because the last five years would even it out as they slowly moved up to 1?

I get your point but it doesn’t always work that way. An arbitrary/random seniority assignment seems the way to go to me.

First of all - it is not a "penalty." Someone in each class has to be junior. Second, in an airline with 14,000 + Pilots the perceived "penalty" is mostly insignificant. Yes it may affect something at sometime but it also may never come into play.

And remember - the bottom guy is senior to everyone in the class the next week.

I can't believe we are even having this discussion.

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11-11-2017, 08:02 PM

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we should award class seniority to ERAU grads first, then everyone else by Rock Paper Scissors tournament

11-11-2017, 08:03 PM

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My personal take is the most equitable arrangenment is inverse alphabetical order.

And not just in nh classes!

11-12-2017, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Scoop

Yes it may affect something at sometime but it also may never come into play.

And remember - the bottom guy is senior to everyone in the class the next week.

Scoop

I don't think the long-term career effects are even relevant. However, basing and aircraft selection are very relevant, particularly in year one/two. A guy who lives next to the airport in Seattle and gets stuck with ATL M88 is going to feel the sting and commute for a year (or more, based on our fickle AEs) when he could be flying from home almost the whole time. He's also going to be forced into a second IQ living on Virginia Ave to achieve some QOL.

I'm not saying there's any realistic fix, but don't downplay the impact of within-class seniority on a new hire and his family. Lucky 9XXXers can easily avoid commuting in many cases, and potentially land in a seat they'll enjoy for years without retraining.

11-12-2017, 04:48 AM

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Hottest 2nd wife?

This is a quality 1st post from somebody's 2nd account.

11-12-2017, 06:21 AM

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Wrong choice of words, my point is just that the seniority won’t always be “made even” over time because an older guy retires first. I think a random system, much like they have, is the way to go. Or hottest wife, if I can count my first since she’s the only one I have.

11-12-2017, 06:29 AM

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I'm not saying there's any realistic fix, but don't downplay the impact of within-class seniority on a new hire and his family. Lucky 9XXXers can easily avoid commuting in many cases, and potentially land in a seat they'll enjoy for years without retraining.

So is the answer to change the method so 1XXXers commute for the first year? No matter what method is chosen, someone is at the bottom. A proper solution is one where new hires aren't trapped in their base through the AE cycle. Establishing a system where pilots could trade bases on the same equipment is a way of alleviating part of the misery.

11-12-2017, 06:38 AM

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And remember - the bottom guy is senior to everyone in the class the next week.

Exactly....it all dissipates as time passes and classmates move bases and categories. Unless, of course, you are the very last person to be furloughed. Then it becomes a 50,000 lumen spotlight on the power of seniority. But, really, what are the odds of DL ever furloughing again? 😁