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Old 12-26-2018, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 300SMK View Post
Age 67 + downturn. All of that is going to happen. It stinks but itís the reality of the industry we work in. That being said I have analyzed NTSB travel statistics during the 2000 crash and the 2008 recession. While block hours didnít grow it doesnít appear they declined either. That being said the airlines lost money defending their gate positions and routes. The next five years will be hard to predict.


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I'll bet you $1000 APC bucks that Age 67 doesn't happen in the next 7 years. After that I couldn't care less.
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Old 12-26-2018, 05:00 PM
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Age 67 +
Name any agency or government body working on this. From all the research I and Alpa have done, 67 simply isn't a thing. Happy to learn otherwise if you know something I don't know.
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Old 12-26-2018, 05:09 PM
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Name any agency or government body working on this. From all the research I and Alpa have done, 67 simply isn't a thing. Happy to learn otherwise if you know something I don't know.
The places you'll hear about age 67:

- Japan (domestic only)...plus a few others.

- One paragraph in a Rand study.

- A few AvNews articles referencing above mentioned Rand study.

- Pilot forums...mostly crowing about discrimination, or as a threat if the young guys don't agree with older guys....as if the pilots even have a say in such a decision lol.

Until ICAO switches, age 67 isn't even a thought in my mind. If it does change...well, stuff happens.
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Old 12-26-2018, 07:27 PM
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Age 67 doesn’t solve anything. It takes all those retirement charts and shifts them to the right by 2 years. Still doesn’t stop the sheer amount of retirements.
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Old 12-27-2018, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
Age 67 doesnít solve anything. It takes all those retirement charts and shifts them to the right by 2 years. Still doesnít stop the sheer amount of retirements.
I don't believe it even does that. Leaving for health reasons is more logarithmic than linear as time passes. I doubt even removing the age completely would make much difference in what we currently see in terms of rates of retirements
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Old 12-27-2018, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
Age 67 doesnít solve anything. It takes all those retirement charts and shifts them to the right by 2 years. Still doesnít stop the sheer amount of retirements.
Age 65 was more or less the same thing, a shift to the right 5 year band aid. But they still did it, and did absolutely zero in those 5 years to fix the impending retirement bubble.
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Old 12-27-2018, 06:47 AM
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I don't believe it even does that. Leaving for health reasons is more logarithmic than linear as time passes. I doubt even removing the age completely would make much difference in what we currently see in terms of rates of retirements
Maybe if you are above 65 years old you are limited to operations between sun up till sundown. I couldnít imagine the amount of single pilot ops that will be conducted otherwise.
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Old 12-27-2018, 06:58 AM
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If you find a way to get drop info before itís posted on the screen in Indoc you are a top man.



I remember in my class they were holding off on posting the drop by a couple hours while they republished what they wanted, and that was day one of Indoc.


Top Men refers to a particular prolific poster on our delta pilot Facebook page, who believes that he is privileged with information that no one else can get, and thinks that his a350 is a starship flying in lower earth orbit....he is, ďspecialĒ
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Old 12-27-2018, 07:22 AM
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Age 65 was more or less the same thing, a shift to the right 5 year band aid. But they still did it, and did absolutely zero in those 5 years to fix the impending retirement bubble.
Management doesn't get paid to fix bad things as easily as they get paid to delay bad things.
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Old 12-27-2018, 08:22 AM
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It was a Fed POI for another major carrier. He stated the airlines were actively working on it however the discussion of cognitive examinations were giving the various management teams great pause. He seemed to think it would be a bandaid until single pilot aircraft are entering the scene. He also mentioned China will need 100,000 pilots in the next two decades.


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