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Old 08-29-2016, 10:20 PM   #21  
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Yet something else that we need not worry about.
I disagree. We will soon be the laughing stock choice for new hires if, years from now, we're still below Allegiant, no deal in sight, weakest of the legacy airlines for wide body opportunities, the worst vacation and constantly violated scope, speckled over with laughable penalty checks.

The market for pilots is rising, and Virginia Avenue is being left behind due to shortsighted mahogany row groupthink.
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Old 08-30-2016, 02:25 AM   #22  
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Here's everything since June, I think:

6/6 drop:
ATL MD88 - 8
ATL 717 - 3
DTW 717 - 4
DTW 320 - 6
NYC MD88 - 4
NYC 73N - 3
NYC 320 - 2

6/13 drop:
ATL 717 - 4
ATL MD88 - 6
DTW 320 - 3
NYC 320 - 3
NYC 73N - 2
NYC 717 - 6
NYC MD88 - 6
6/20/16 drop:
LAX 717 - 1
DTW 320 - 2
NYC 320 - 6
NYC 717 - 11
NYC MD88 - 19

7/11/16 drop:
ATL MD88 - 5
DTW 717 - 8
DTW 320 - 5
NYC 73N - 1
NYC 320 - 2
NYC 717 - 4
NYC MD88 - 10

7/18/16 drop:
ATL MD88 - 7
DTW 320 - 2
NYC 73N - 1
NYC 320 - 6
NYC 717 - 8
NYC MD88 - 10

7/25/16 drop:
ATL MD88 - 10
ATL 717 - 10
DTW 320 - 4
NYC 73N - 4
NYC 320 - 6
NYC MD88 - 10
NYC 717 - 10

8/8/16 drop:
ATL MD88 - 7
NYC 737 - 4
NYC 320 - 7
NYC MD88 - 6
NYC 717 - 7

8/15/16 drop:
NYC 73N - 7
NYC 320 - 4
NYC MD88 - 13
NYC 717 - 9

8/22/16 drop:
NYC 73N - 10
NYC 320 - 16
NYC MD88 - 16
NYC 717 - 11
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I disagree. We will soon be the laughing stock choice for new hires if, years from now, we're still below Allegiant, no deal in sight, weakest of the legacy airlines for wide body opportunities, the worst vacation and constantly violated scope, speckled over with laughable penalty checks.

The market for pilots is rising, and Virginia Avenue is being left behind due to shortsighted mahogany row groupthink.
Not my problem.
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Old 09-01-2016, 06:18 AM   #24  
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Not my problem.
It is our leverage, though. Unless you prefer to ignore it.
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It is our leverage, though. Unless you prefer to ignore it.
Not really much leverage value there for anybody with more than 6 hours with the company.
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Old 09-01-2016, 07:00 AM   #26  
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It is our leverage, though. Unless you prefer to ignore it.
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You're delusional if you think what new hires think gives us leverage. Who cares? Not the company. They are metric driven and follow every new hire statistic with great interest. If they see a decline in acceptance rates of new hires, they will adjust. So far, according to a buddy in the interview group, this has not happened.
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Or you could explain your understanding of this great leverage we get from new hire disinterest.
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You're delusional if you think what new hires think gives us leverage. Who cares? Not the company. They are metric driven and follow every new hire statistic with great interest. If they see a decline in acceptance rates of new hires, they will adjust. So far, according to a buddy in the interview group, this has not happened.
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Or you could explain your understanding of this great leverage we get from new hire disinterest.
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I think it'd be less about disinterest from those who apply and end up going elsewhere before they are offered an interview, and more about the people who do indoc, FPTs, simulators, 50 hours of IOE and a line check and then fly the line for three weeks and quit for FDX. That's not exactly a good use of training resources, is it?
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I think it'd be less about disinterest from those who apply and end up going elsewhere before they are offered an interview, and more about the people who do indoc, FPTs, simulators, 50 hours of IOE and a line check and then fly the line for three weeks and quit for FDX. That's not exactly a good use of training resources, is it?
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My source says that when those events get painful enough, the company will do something. So far it has been completely negligible.

And, as was posted above, it's not my job to worry about such things.

And I still don't see how any new-hire one-off events give US any leverage.

I DO see new leverage in that, as of this week, we are the ONLY major without a contract or TA and we are also the carrier raking in the most massive profit. Thus, there is "uncertainty" here. I don't think the company is thrilled about that and I suspect we might see some progress at the upcoming scheduled negotiating sessions.
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Old 09-01-2016, 08:23 AM   #29  
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Not really much leverage value there for anybody with more than 6 hours with the company.
I am glad you did not do my OE. If thats what you think new hires are then you should never ever do any OE. New hires are part of the family from day one. Hope you dont sit there and gloat all trip about yourself.

These people busted their arse to get on. They are part of the team the minute they wear the uniform. PERIOD> and it should concern you, Mr. pull up the ladder behind you, guy!

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Holy crap can't we keep to the topic the OP wanted. Mods, any chance of cleaning up this thread to class drops only?

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