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Old 06-18-2019, 03:18 PM
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I still don't understand what is "artificial" about the 400 bid pack, or why this great, high-paying aircraft shifted so junior.
In addition to being a high-commuter base, a couple of the junior guys I talked with cited the non-commutable LAX 2-days as "not what they signed up for". While I wouldn't call it a bait and switch by any means, they thought they were stepping up to the sweet int'l life, and it just wasn't that for them. I know a couple bid back off because the only way to have a line was to bid the LAX trips almost exclusively (which were 2-man btw. I know, cry me a river...) To each their own, but I submit that's why it has gone much more junior. Artificially, if I may say

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Alas, it's just semantics/academic. I honestly don't think we disagree about much here.
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:52 PM
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Is there a class on 6/24?

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Old 06-23-2019, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs View Post
Is there a class on 6/24?

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Classes that I know of:
17 Jun
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Old 06-24-2019, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15 View Post
In addition to being a high-commuter base, a couple of the junior guys I talked with cited the non-commutable LAX 2-days as "not what they signed up for". While I wouldn't call it a bait and switch by any means, they thought they were stepping up to the sweet int'l life, and it just wasn't that for them. I know a couple bid back off because the only way to have a line was to bid the LAX trips almost exclusively (which were 2-man btw. I know, cry me a river...) To each their own, but I submit that's why it has gone much more junior. Artificially, if I may say



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Those same non commutable two days swap from the 400 to the A330 quite often. Does not seem to have a big impact on the 330.
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Old 06-24-2019, 04:05 AM
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Those same non commutable two days swap from the 400 to the A330 quite often. Does not seem to have a big impact on the 330.
I can only see back to May, but... They are NOT the same. At. All. The few NY 330 trips ARE commutable - on both ends. And there are MANY times the number of LAX 2-days on the 400, with two pre 0730 departures daily versus a handful (well under one per day) on the 330. Heck, there were 43 trips left in open time alone in June on the 400, more than double the TOTAL number of 330 trips in any of the last three months. The bottom 12 line-holders had almost exclusively non-commutable two-day trips...

When a category that has historically exclusively been 3-day 17-21 hour trips (4 a month) goes to mostly crappy domestic non-commutable two days (meaning 6-7 a month) for the junior guys/gals, it tends to drive the category artificially more junior that it was/would have been. All because Marketing drives the ship. (Which the company has every right to do, btw, it just sucks for us)

Just a little different situation to the 330.

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Old 06-24-2019, 08:26 AM
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Any idea when they might start dropping A320 slots to new hires again? Iím guessing most classes will be filled with A220 and 717 slots for the foreseeable future.


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Any idea when they might start dropping A320 slots to new hires again? Iím guessing most classes will be filled with A220 and 717 slots for the foreseeable future.


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After the next AE that has unfilled 320B positions. Once that happens it will depend on training pipeline availability.

Itís probably going to be a while.
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Old 06-24-2019, 08:52 AM
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Any idea when they might start dropping A320 slots to new hires again? Iím guessing most classes will be filled with A220 and 717 slots for the foreseeable future.


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I'd say not anytime soon. Maybe in a few years. With the md88s going away and 717lax closure all the 320 spots are be taken by those guys. And any new AE coming out will fill any available 320 spots with guys dying to get out of NYC or off of the 717 or 220.

But the 220 right now is the new hottness seniority wise, just nobody knows it yet. With most new hires going to it in NYC and delivery of 2-3 planes a month new hires will probably have a line within 3 months
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Old 06-24-2019, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15 View Post
I can only see back to May, but... They are NOT the same. At. All. The few NY 330 trips ARE commutable - on both ends. And there are MANY times the number of LAX 2-days on the 400, with two pre 0730 departures daily versus a handful (well under one per day) on the 330. Heck, there were 43 trips left in open time alone in June on the 400, more than double the TOTAL number of 330 trips in any of the last three months. The bottom 12 line-holders had almost exclusively non-commutable two-day trips...

When a category that has historically exclusively been 3-day 17-21 hour trips (4 a month) goes to mostly crappy domestic non-commutable two days (meaning 6-7 a month) for the junior guys/gals, it tends to drive the category artificially more junior that it was/would have been. All because Marketing drives the ship. (Which the company has every right to do, btw, it just sucks for us)

Just a little different situation to the 330.
That word doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. While it does drive the category more junior, it is not "artificially" more junior. It is just simply more junior.
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Old 06-24-2019, 01:03 PM
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That word doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. While it does drive the category more junior, it is not "artificially" more junior. It is just simply more junior.
Inigo Montoya, I get it. But I know exactly what the word means. Pick your adjective if it makes you feel better, I really don't care anymore. The NY 400 seniority is being driven much more junior by something other than the historical norm, or the norms on any other WB fleet of which I am aware.

I'm done with this thread drift. The whole point was to answer the following question with enough simple context to help the OP understand why a WB is so junior relative to the others, and critically, why it may, or may not stay that way:

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How long does it take to bid the 757/767?
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