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12-05-2016, 11:34 AM

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DrunkIrishman

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Any md-88A?

12-05-2016, 11:47 AM

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Any md-88A?

Why would there be? Not a new hire position.

12-05-2016, 12:43 PM

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Why would there be? Not a new hire position.

Wouldn't we have known on the last AE if there were any unfilled seats for the 88A? The most junior guy wasn't the most junior on the property. We are several AEs away from getting to street Captains.

Also, I'm very, very interested to see how the TA ratification impacts AE bidding. Now that rates are going up again I wonder if the 88 and 717 will start getting more senior upgrades.

12-05-2016, 12:57 PM

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I was thinking just the opposite. The FO rates are going up as well so I thought guys might stay for senority. Who knows though. I think the AE in a few weeks will be very interesting on the narrow body side.

12-05-2016, 01:07 PM

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Remember, 22.E.10 states, "If no pilot bids on a First Officer category vacancy, the Company may assign an entry level pilot to fill the vacancy." [emphasis added].

Thus, the company is not required to offer an unfilled F/O vacancy to new hires but it is permitted to do so. Nothing is mentioned about unfilled Captain vacancies, most likely because the concept wasn't in the realm of possibility until the last AE and/or because the company really didn't want to offer an unfilled Captain vacancy to a new hire class.

If an unfilled Captain position(s) existed after an AE, I would bet the company just re-offers the unfilled Capt position(s) on the next AE.

12-05-2016, 01:10 PM

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If an unfilled Captain position(s) existed after an AE, I would bet the company just re-offers the unfilled Capt position(s) on the next AE.

You can only do that for a couple of AE's before you run short on Captain's. I would not be surprised to see new hires receive A bids for their first seat. Perhaps 2 to 3 bids from now.

12-05-2016, 01:14 PM

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You can only do that for a couple of AE's before you run short on Captain's. I would not be surprised to see new hires receive A bids for their first seat. Perhaps 2 to 3 bids from now.

Traditionally, when something goes way out of seniority, you see a swing back to "normalcy" on the next AE. Look at the B7ERA that went extremely (relatively) junior for one bid. Can't touch it now.

12-05-2016, 02:07 PM

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Also, isn't there a minimum number of hours in 121 operations to be a Captain?

1000?

Waiverable?

Not sure how many prior 121 folks fill each indoc class...lots of military will not have the mins (or desire) to be a CA right away...and I would bet not every prior 121 guy/gal would either for seniority reasons...

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12-05-2016, 02:37 PM

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Traditionally, when something goes way out of seniority, you see a swing back to "normalcy" on the next AE. Look at the B7ERA that went extremely (relatively) junior for one bid. Can't touch it now.

It may become our new norm. We've never seen movement that is upon us. We training department is in overdrive with no relief insight. New hire classes are huge. 2017 starts the retirement tsunami. What used to be true ain't gonna be true no more.

12-05-2016, 02:47 PM

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Which brings up the next issue - do you pay protect a senior pilot who doesn't fulfill the 121 requirements to upgrade (i.e., a new hire directly from the military) but has the seniority to do so?