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Banzai 09-13-2016 02:38 PM

Rube's threads are getting really predictable.

I thought about making a drinking game for every time Mantooth says Brielman, bogeyman, math, and NMB in the same post, but my liver just can't take that kind of punishment.

Hawaii50 09-13-2016 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by longcall (Post 2201731)
Actually the exact opposite happened in BWI last week according to the LAX reps. We had everyone on board ready to make a deal and the company didn't send any of the decision makers. They had no intention of closing a deal.

You mean they gave us just enough hope to get them through the summer now nothing? I'm shocked. No one saw that coming.

rube 09-13-2016 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2201573)
He's nearly 100% wrong except for the date of application to the NMB. Keep trying, though. Absolutely pathetic....

When did the company answer our screwball "focus plus" re-opener? Oh yeah, that was January, just like I predicted.

And when is the NMB going to call us back? I'm saying it will be 2017. Puchala said straight up that they weren't going to entertain us during our political sideshow. I was pretty close to the mark last year, and I did not foresee that FDX, UPS and LUV would conclude their negotiations. I'm pretty sure you didn't, either.

https://thenmbbrief.files.wordpress....ng?w=300&h=225

https://thenmbbrief.files.wordpress....ng?w=300&h=218

https://thenmbbrief.files.wordpress....ng?w=300&h=220

And that is part of my overall contention. Expansionary economic periods all have one thing in common; they eventually end. For us to blow it twice during the same expansion would be pathetic indeed.

Your descent into ad hominem attacks suggests you cannot make a rational argument based on the facts. I don't think it is appropriate for you to be moderating a thread where you can ban people for actions that you have no trouble committing yourself. You should hand it over to someone impartial.

GogglesPisano 09-13-2016 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by rube (Post 2201946)
When did the company answer our screwball "focus plus" re-opener? Oh yeah, that was January, just like I predicted.

And when is the NMB going to call us back? I'm saying it will be 2017. Puchala said straight up that they weren't going to entertain us during our political sideshow. I was pretty close to the mark last year, and I did not foresee that FDX, UPS and LUV would conclude their negotiations. I'm pretty sure you didn't, either.

https://thenmbbrief.files.wordpress....ng?w=300&h=225

https://thenmbbrief.files.wordpress....ng?w=300&h=218

https://thenmbbrief.files.wordpress....ng?w=300&h=220

And that is part of my overall contention. Expansionary economic periods all have one thing in common; they eventually end. For us to blow it twice during the same expansion would be pathetic indeed.

Your descent into ad hominem attacks suggests you cannot make a rational argument based on the facts. I don't think it is appropriate for you to be moderating a thread where you can ban people for actions that you have no trouble committing yourself. You should hand it over to someone impartial.

Are those slides available on the DALPA website?

crewdawg 09-13-2016 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by rube (Post 2201946)

So can we assume that there is another slide that replaces the word "pilots" with "management?"

longcall 09-14-2016 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 2201873)
You mean they gave us just enough hope to get them through the summer now nothing? I'm shocked. No one saw that coming.


Actually, everyone saw that coming except our NC and MEC admin.

JamesBond 09-14-2016 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by longcall (Post 2202473)
Actually, everyone saw that coming except our NC and MEC admin.

Aren't they the 'new' guys?

gloopy 09-14-2016 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by billsaw (Post 2201845)
Is this why Richard Anderson retired? He knew the road that this was going down and wanted out?

I have to say for all of you that complain about the TA15 rejection.

You guys elected them, they represented you, and the deal that they said was a great one was overwhelmingly rejected.

At some point you have to look in the mirror and ask yourself if you aren't the one out of touch and stop whining to those that one.

Or, we can repackage the same concessions, make a few "rearrange the deckchair" tweaks here and there, and the MEMRAT will fold to get something, anything, and we can all say "see I told you so!" Weeeeeeeeeeeee!

longcall 09-14-2016 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2202603)
Aren't they the 'new' guys?

Nope. I said NC and MEC admin. They've been around and should have seen this coming.

tomgoodman 09-14-2016 12:09 PM

Flunking "Persuasiveness 101"
 
Puchala is doing her part to cause a stalemate, with insults like “leave your inner child at the door,” and, “don’t expect a slow walk through fantasy land.”
She should have left her inner schoolmarm at the door. :rolleyes:


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