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Switching reserve days
I've heard I can submit something to request moving reserve days around. Is that in the PCS in icrew and is it a yellow slip and which one?
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Originally Posted by mispoken
(Post 2203623)
I've heard I can submit something to request moving reserve days around. Is that in the PCS in icrew and is it a yellow slip and which one?
(Notice the emoji's? It was in jest.) For the real answer: You'll get much more detailed/correct information by researching this procedure in the Scheduling Reference Handbook on the Delta ALPA site. Here's the link and instructions of how to get there.. 1) https://www.alpa.org 2) "DAL MEC" link (Left side below personal info.) 3) Select "Committees" link (Under DAL MEC banner) 4) "Scheduling Reference Handbook" link (Second column, 2/3 down) |
Originally Posted by mispoken
(Post 2203623)
I've heard I can submit something to request moving reserve days around. Is that in the PCS in icrew and is it a yellow slip and which one?
Leave Requests Move Reserve Off Days Note: you are technically moving off days not reserve days. |
That "Scheduling Reference Handbook" should be on the Surface. I can't believe they don't even mention it in Indoc. I suggest every newhire I fly with place it on the personal side of the Surface so it's always accessible.
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Be aware the that when you move a "golden" X day it becomes a "regular" X day. Most of the time it won't matter but ther can be consequences...
Denny |
This type of information is so necessary. As is so much more scheduling and pay information. You really should go to the seminar put on by Advantage Seminars. Totally worth it, both time and value. Check out AdvantSem.com
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Say relationship to Advantage Seminars...?
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Is there anything in the PWA that says we can't use P/Ds in the middle of reserve blocks if there's adequate coverage? Im assuming that if the PCS system allows it, Im good to go. I just don't want to get harassed by the CPO.
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Originally Posted by TexanDriver
(Post 2207416)
Is there anything in the PWA that says we can't use P/Ds in the middle of reserve blocks if there's adequate coverage? Im assuming that if the PCS system allows it, Im good to go. I just don't want to get harassed by the CPO.
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 2207425)
If PCS allows it, you are good to go. There is a long list of rules that PCS follows though. Don't expect to use a one day PD in the middle of a 5 day block. You still have to meet the min days on, max off day groupings, etc rules.
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Most category will be a 3 day min reserve block. Ie you cannot split up a 5 day reserve block into 2 on, 1 off, 2 on.
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Originally Posted by TexanDriver
(Post 2207416)
Is there anything in the PWA that says we can't use P/Ds in the middle of reserve blocks if there's adequate coverage? Im assuming that if the PCS system allows it, Im good to go. I just don't want to get harassed by the CPO.
Yes. If iCrew allows you to do something, why would you "get in trouble?" |
Originally Posted by rvr350
(Post 2207473)
Most category will be a 3 day min reserve block. Ie you cannot split up a 5 day reserve block into 2 on, 1 off, 2 on.
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 2207512)
All the answers you are looking for are here. Download it onto your Surface.. https://dal.alpa.org/Scheduling-Reference-Handbook
Yes. If iCrew allows you to do something, why would you "get in trouble?" |
Originally Posted by TexanDriver
(Post 2207682)
Because I remember during a NH meeting with a CP he mentioned guys dropping one day of MLOA in the middle of blocks on Int'l categories and saying that it doesn't look good...
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Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 2207700)
It also doesn't look good when management classifies one-time occurrences as regular expenses to reduce our PS payout. Nor does it look good when they repeatedly violate our contract and don't pay up until they are caught doing so. The optics of reducing our access to economy comfort is rather poor as well. If something is legal and not prohibited by our PWA, I'm not sure I care what does or doesn't look good. Do you?
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Originally Posted by TexanDriver
(Post 2207682)
Because I remember during a NH meeting with a CP he mentioned guys dropping one day of MLOA in the middle of blocks on Int'l categories and saying that it doesn't look good...
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After Golden Days have been awarded, is there a way to change it? IE move ONLY the Golden Day without it reverting to an X day and keeping the original X day?
Hope my question is clear... Thanks! |
Originally Posted by JackRanch
(Post 2288595)
After Golden Days have been awarded, is there a way to change it? IE move ONLY the Golden Day without it reverting to an X day and keeping the original X day?
Hope my question is clear... Thanks! |
Originally Posted by Falcon20
(Post 2288643)
Nope. You can move it but the golden goes away and it reverts to a normal X day
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Originally Posted by JackRanch
(Post 2289171)
Ok...thanks, so once Golden Days are awarded, there is no way to change them?
I had to do this for next month. Oh well. Denny |
Got it thanks! knowing this helped me move the right day...
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 2207425)
If PCS allows it, you are good to go. There is a long list of rules that PCS follows though. Don't expect to use a one day PD in the middle of a 5 day block. You still have to meet the min days on, max off day groupings, etc rules.
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Are we going to get a new and updated scheduling handbook that covers new contract language???
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
(Post 2289845)
I'm not 100% on this, but I'm pretty sure you can break reserve award rules when using PD/PB. I know you can APD and break reserve award rules since I've done it. What you can't do is move XX days which break the reserve rules as I've tried to do this as well and failed :).
Sat a lot of res, exact same experience |
A little thread necromancy here..
F/O lines came out today. I'm now having one lone ** day on 30 JAN, with a 12 day reserve block and a 5 day reserve block on both sides of it. Not worth going home for one day normally with the commute out of NYC. I tried to use PCS to move the Reserve X day from 30 JAN to 18JAN. iCrew says I can't do that, move must be 3 days in the future. Reserve coverage looks good. I can't find anything in the contract that says must move 3 days in advance. Call scheduling. They say can't do it within 3 days. I asked where that's written, he didn't know, just "cant be done". So now I have this lone ** day that's basically useless, what is the best way to make use of it? Hope for 30 hour rest into it to make enough time to be worth going home? PCS for additional on call day? I think that gets me 3:45ish in credit if I do it.? Any other jedi master moves I should consider using? I was considering just sitting on my ass at home and playing the long call roulette, but there's a 3-4 hour window a night where I have to drive 7 hours if they hit me with a 12 hour on the nose callout. 16W RES XX 17T RES XX 18F RES 19S RES 20S RES 21M RES 22T RES 23W RES 24T RES 25F RES 26S RES 27S RES 28M RES 29T RES 30W RES ** ___________________ 31T RES 01F RES 02S RES 03S RES 04M RES 05T RES 06W RES XX 07T RES XX |
Originally Posted by CX500T
(Post 2744462)
A little thread necromancy here..
F/O lines came out today. I'm now having one lone ** day on 30 JAN, with a 12 day reserve block and a 5 day reserve block on both sides of it. Not worth going home for one day normally with the commute out of NYC. I tried to use PCS to move the Reserve X day from 30 JAN to 18JAN. iCrew says I can't do that, move must be 3 days in the future. Reserve coverage looks good. I can't find anything in the contract that says must move 3 days in advance. Call scheduling. They say can't do it within 3 days. I asked where that's written, he didn't know, just "cant be done". So now I have this lone ** day that's basically useless, what is the best way to make use of it? Hope for 30 hour rest into it to make enough time to be worth going home? PCS for additional on call day? I think that gets me 3:45ish in credit if I do it.? Any other jedi master moves I should consider using? I was considering just sitting on my ass at home and playing the long call roulette, but there's a 3-4 hour window a night where I have to drive 7 hours if they hit me with a 12 hour on the nose callout. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2744486)
I am trying to u derstand why it’s not worth going home on the single X day. You can leave on the 29th at noon to head home. The earliest you could be given any activity would be 10AM on the 31st.
Loads usually look good until about 3 hours to go, then the non rev ninjas hit! While it's 46 hours on paper, by the time you kill the three hour until the next flight out, then the two hours home if you make it, seven plus if you go via ATL, and then getting back on a 5pm flight the next day I get 24 hours at best, Home airport arrive airport to home airport departing. Add 1/2 hour getting gate check, walk to car, wait in line at the world's slowest pay booth, then 1-1/2 hours on the front side between driving to airport, parking, checking in, etc.. They used to have more flights but it's cut back for the season. That's why my normal bid has "4 day off minimum" which I usually get, but this month NAVBLUE told me to GFY, and basically "Not Honored" most everything.. Which is weird because reserve coverage is stupid fat this month on the ER> |
Be aware that you will have a 30 hr break with that one ** day as long as they don’t use you past noon on the 29th. (Since you are automatically released at noon on the day prior to a golden day.)
Denny |
Originally Posted by MikeF16
(Post 2289845)
I'm not 100% on this, but I'm pretty sure you can break reserve award rules when using PD/PB. I know you can APD and break reserve award rules since I've done it. What you can't do is move XX days which break the reserve rules as I've tried to do this as well and failed :).
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Originally Posted by CX500T
(Post 2744462)
A little thread necromancy here..
F/O lines came out today. I'm now having one lone ** day on 30 JAN, with a 12 day reserve block and a 5 day reserve block on both sides of it. Not worth going home for one day normally with the commute out of NYC. I tried to use PCS to move the Reserve X day from 30 JAN to 18JAN. iCrew says I can't do that, move must be 3 days in the future. Reserve coverage looks good. I can't find anything in the contract that says must move 3 days in advance. Call scheduling. They say can't do it within 3 days. I asked where that's written, he didn't know, just "cant be done". So now I have this lone ** day that's basically useless, what is the best way to make use of it? Hope for 30 hour rest into it to make enough time to be worth going home? PCS for additional on call day? I think that gets me 3:45ish in credit if I do it.? Any other jedi master moves I should consider using? I was considering just sitting on my ass at home and playing the long call roulette, but there's a 3-4 hour window a night where I have to drive 7 hours if they hit me with a 12 hour on the nose callout. |
Originally Posted by CX500T
(Post 2744462)
I tried to use PCS to move the Reserve X day from 30 JAN to 18JAN.
iCrew says I can't do that, move must be 3 days in the future. Reserve coverage looks good. I can't find anything in the contract that says must move 3 days in advance. Call scheduling. They say can't do it within 3 days. I asked where that's written, he didn't know, just "cant be done". Aside from what Tummy said, I don't know of anything to get out of this pickle. |
I’ve got my first month of reserve in 10 years so I’m glad this has resurfaced. I’m looking to move off days around and understand the reserve rules. For me it’s 3-99-5. Does anyone know if in processing the moves do the reserve rules have to be followed for each move, or just within each priority? For example if my first move breaks a rule, but the next fixes it within that first priority will it allow that?
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There was another thread where guys were asking "whats the deal if schedules come out later than normal"
Schedule out one day earlier would have saved me from this. Now I just have to wait to the 20th to try to move February around to a more logical block |
Originally Posted by Flying Monkey
(Post 2744744)
I’ve got my first month of reserve in 10 years so I’m glad this has resurfaced.
Originally Posted by Flying Monkey
(Post 2744744)
Does anyone know if in processing the moves do the reserve rules have to be followed for each move, or just within each priority? For example if my first move breaks a rule, but the next fixes it within that first priority will it allow that?
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
(Post 2744751)
Was this by choice? If not check to see if you were unblockable, if so you can request a blank line if you want.
And thanks! Yeah trying to be creative to end up with what I want. |
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