View Poll Results: Would you vote to ratify the hypothetical TA?
Yes, would vote to ratify
78
27.96%
No, would vote not to ratify
201
72.04%
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Possible TA?
#101
Bus driver
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 826
Tanker,
The above is correct to convert TFP to an "hourly" rate but to convert total TFP you have to divide.
The key is that a trip is approximately 55 minutes of work. So an hour of work pays more. XXX amount of trips per month is less than XXX hours.
In your example, copied here you use 105 Trips as your example:
"Ask an SWA pilot what they earn for 12 days of work? Spoiler alert, about 105 hrs of pay"So dividing 105 tfp by 1.13 you get about 92 hours of pay.
The whole TFP issue is very confusing depending on which conversion you are doing but one thing is absolutely clear - We at DAL domestically can get no where near 92 hours in 12 days.
Scoop
The above is correct to convert TFP to an "hourly" rate but to convert total TFP you have to divide.
The key is that a trip is approximately 55 minutes of work. So an hour of work pays more. XXX amount of trips per month is less than XXX hours.
In your example, copied here you use 105 Trips as your example:
"Ask an SWA pilot what they earn for 12 days of work? Spoiler alert, about 105 hrs of pay"So dividing 105 tfp by 1.13 you get about 92 hours of pay.
The whole TFP issue is very confusing depending on which conversion you are doing but one thing is absolutely clear - We at DAL domestically can get no where near 92 hours in 12 days.
Scoop
#102
He is just using the TRUMP method, say it over and over until people finally believe it...
Last edited by formerdal; 09-19-2016 at 06:34 AM.
#103
Super Moderator
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DAL 330
Posts: 6,851
I wouldn't say this Forum is management friendly at all. The two Delta moderators were both "No" votes on the last TA.
Scoop
#104
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,113
I am very seriously considering pulling down the poll or at least unsticking it. How is a poll that is open to all of APC valid for DAL Pilots?
This poll is probably not indicative of anything. If you want to see the DAL Pilot only results go to Chit Chat, but that poll will suffer from an extreme selection bias.
The Chit Chat poll is running about 92-8 against. But about the only thing that poll is good for is to compare it to the Chit Chat poll during the TA. If I recall correctly that poll ran about 98-2 against.
Scoop
This poll is probably not indicative of anything. If you want to see the DAL Pilot only results go to Chit Chat, but that poll will suffer from an extreme selection bias.
The Chit Chat poll is running about 92-8 against. But about the only thing that poll is good for is to compare it to the Chit Chat poll during the TA. If I recall correctly that poll ran about 98-2 against.
Scoop
The other thing that's good about it, is that it shows how truly out of touch APC and CC are with the pilot group. The fact that APC is anonymous, and the "poll" less lopsided tells me that people are at least a little more comfortable that they might not get bullied when posting. There still aren't enough posters to be indicative of anything, and from what you're saying, it's difficult to filter out multiple user names. So the most revealing thing about it is that social media is dominated by those on the narrow "no" side of the bell-curve.
#105
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,113
I would definitely agree with Scoop there. What Jerry means is that there still are a few unrepentant guys who disagree with him, that he hasn't bullied into submission yet.
#106
#107
I am very seriously considering pulling down the poll or at least unsticking it. How is a poll that is open to all of APC valid for DAL Pilots?
This poll is probably not indicative of anything. If you want to see the DAL Pilot only results go to Chit Chat, but that poll will suffer from an extreme selection bias.
The Chit Chat poll is running about 92-8 against. But about the only thing that poll is good for is to compare it to the Chit Chat poll during the TA. If I recall correctly that poll ran about 98-2 against.
Scoop
This poll is probably not indicative of anything. If you want to see the DAL Pilot only results go to Chit Chat, but that poll will suffer from an extreme selection bias.
The Chit Chat poll is running about 92-8 against. But about the only thing that poll is good for is to compare it to the Chit Chat poll during the TA. If I recall correctly that poll ran about 98-2 against.
Scoop
#108
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,222
Sailing,
This is your chance to show me how much better our contract is to that of one of our competitors by answering these questions:
- How many credit hours does the SW pilot get for that 12 day month?
- How many credit hours did the DL pilots get for the 12 day month?
- Do any of those SW 12 day schedules include redeyes?
- Do any of those DL 12 day schedules include redeyes?
This is your chance to show me how much better our contract is to that of one of our competitors by answering these questions:
- How many credit hours does the SW pilot get for that 12 day month?
- How many credit hours did the DL pilots get for the 12 day month?
- Do any of those SW 12 day schedules include redeyes?
- Do any of those DL 12 day schedules include redeyes?
#109
#110
Oh yeah, and we're out of touch