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Free Bird 10-13-2016 05:50 AM
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 2222517)
But nobody is looking at the Virgin language and seeing that we just captured at least another entire airline (Operating Certificate) which operates Widebodies and which drives our Widebody EASK growth at a 2 to 1 ratio. Why not?
I saw this and it made me think. All of the Virgin Atlantic language is Widebody ASK's. Riddle me this Bar. What is stop Virgin Atlantic from purchasing A321NEO's or 737 Max and flying across the Atlantic from Manchester or any other UK city with our code on them?

A 787 / A350 technology narrowbody will make it's way to the marketplace eventually. That could be a game changer for the N. Atlantic market. It appears we don't have protections against this with Virgin Atlantic. What am I missing?

JamesBond 10-13-2016 06:48 AM
Originally Posted by mikea72580 (Post 2222337)
The question was how many jobs we could lose as a result of the change in compliance with the TAJV language.

Their answer was "zero".
If there are any it won't even be noticed. I find this question amusing to be quite honest.

JamesBond 10-13-2016 06:49 AM
Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 2222798)
I saw this and it made me think. All of the Virgin Atlantic language is Widebody ASK's. Riddle me this Bar. What is stop Virgin Atlantic from purchasing A321NEO's or 737 Max and flying across the Atlantic from Manchester or any other UK city with our code on them?
If they did that, under an EASK production balance methodology we currently have, we would have to pull down flying, no?

Hawaii50 10-13-2016 07:00 AM
Originally Posted by BtoA (Post 2222760)
Thank god you guys selling the last TA as a win didn't work. I hope it doesn't work this time either. I want a raise, but this is not the way to do it.
You guys selling the TA? It sounds more like a discussion among your fellow pilots ( I assume you are one) about the merits and issues with the possible TA. You just started posting and have 80 posts in about the last week or so that are mostly accusations. What's your story?

gloopy 10-13-2016 08:14 AM
Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 2222798)
I saw this and it made me think. All of the Virgin Atlantic language is Widebody ASK's. Riddle me this Bar. What is stop Virgin Atlantic from purchasing A321NEO's or 737 Max and flying across the Atlantic from Manchester or any other UK city with our code on them?

A 787 / A350 technology narrowbody will make it's way to the marketplace eventually. That could be a game changer for the N. Atlantic market. It appears we don't have protections against this with Virgin Atlantic. What am I missing?
Is it really only wide body EASKs? I though they all counted.

jrtimm 10-13-2016 09:16 AM
Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 2222871)
You guys selling the TA? It sounds more like a discussion among your fellow pilots ( I assume you are one) about the merits and issues with the possible TA. You just started posting and have 80 posts in about the last week or so that are mostly accusations. What's your story?
When you're selling NO, it's ok to sell.

Free Bird 10-13-2016 10:53 AM
Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2222923)
Is it really only wide body EASKs? I though they all counted.
The contract specifically says "widebody" ASK's in regards in the Virgin Atlantic JV. Hope I'm wrong, it seems like a giant hole in out contract that will bite us in the a$$ eventually.

BtoA 10-13-2016 01:04 PM
Originally Posted by jrtimm (Post 2222960)
When you're selling NO, it's ok to sell.
Pointing out items that will cost us JOBS and QOL for the next few decades will get you labeled a DPA founder.

JamesBond 10-13-2016 02:03 PM
Originally Posted by BtoA (Post 2223141)
Pointing out items that will cost us JOBS and QOL for the next few decades will get you labeled a DPA founder.
Show some facts with your work. You have yet to do so.

zippinbye 10-13-2016 08:31 PM
Originally Posted by mikea72580 (Post 2222337)
The question was how many jobs we could lose as a result of the change in compliance with the TAJV language.

Their answer was "zero".
Convenient way to pose the question. If you ask it like that, the literal answer is indeed "zero." The real question is "how many jobs would be associated" (with diminished share of JV flying). Stating that the slack is taken up elsewhere detracts from the reality of lost job opportunities directly attached to our level of JV participation. It's concerning to me that this particular question and answer seems to purposefully sidestep what's on our minds; the number of jobs tied to each unit measure of Delta pilots' participation in the JV. More jobs is better. Hoping to find replacement flying to a makeup for lost JV flying is no way to protect our pilot force. The twist in this Q & A feels reminiscent of the MD team salesmanship in the TA1 roadshows. Red flag!


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