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Old 12-14-2016, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
Let's review.

Your guys voted yes and tried to sell the failed TA as if their lives depended on it.

The No voters on the MEC led the charge to reject the deal.

We achieved hundreds of millions more.

How is that not delivering by Captain Bartels and Captain Brielmann?

Those 2 and the brave pilots who stood with them put hundreds of thousands in your pocket.
They did everything they could to delay and block the second TA. Bartels only voted for the TA when he saw the extremely strong support for it at the pilot level and knew his political future depended on the vote.
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Old 12-14-2016, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
They did everything they could to delay and block the second TA. Bartels only voted for the TA when he saw the extremely strong support for it at the pilot level and knew his political future depended on the vote.
Hence, the system worked. The job of the union is not to sell an agreement but to listen to the pilots demands. Testing the limits ensures the best possible deal.
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Old 12-14-2016, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
They did everything they could to delay and block the second TA. Bartels only voted for the TA when he saw the extremely strong support for it at the pilot level and knew his political future depended on the vote.

Really? He told you that? Or, he wrote a memoir about his magical rise to Delta MEC Chairman, already?


If it's none of the above, where are you getting your information?
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Old 12-14-2016, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
They did everything they could to delay and block the second TA. Bartels only voted for the TA when he saw the extremely strong support for it at the pilot level and knew his political future depended on the vote.
Back to the facts. Your buddies voted yes for the failed TA and said we would NEVER do better.

Captains Bartels and Brielmann along with others put hundreds of thousands in your pocket.

Stick with Hanson and Cook and Nestor. Give all the extra money back to the company.
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Old 12-14-2016, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
The problem is the person we now have in charge has never delivered the goods or produced good outcomes. Even his letters and predictions have all proved basically false over time and he has a history of putting politics ahead of pilots. None of this has any real effect for more senior pilots. I feel sorry for the damage that could befall the bottom two thirds of the list over time.
1) So now it is time for those guys to put up or shut up. They have been badmouthing things for some time now. Well they won. Produce. My reps have already been written in this regard with the ultimatum.
2) The bottom 2/3rds of the seniority will be the bottom 2/3rds for a fraction of the time that you and I were in that position. Like it or not, that movement will affect their perspective on things. Book it.
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Old 12-14-2016, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
Back to the facts. Your buddies voted yes for the failed TA and said we would NEVER do better.

Captains Bartels and Brielmann along with others put hundreds of thousands in your pocket.

Stick with Hanson and Cook and Nestor. Give all the extra money back to the company.
LOL.. Haven't you been banging the drum about how horrible this agreement is? Well which is it?

Keep donating to DPA Jerry. The lawyers are gonna need to be paid soon.
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg View Post
Back to the facts. Your buddies voted yes for the failed TA and said we would NEVER do better.

Captains Bartels and Brielmann along with others put hundreds of thousands in your pocket.

Stick with Hanson and Cook and Nestor. Give all the extra money back to the company.
Most of my buddies including me voted no on the first TA.
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:28 AM
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Really? He told you that? Or, he wrote a memoir about his magical rise to Delta MEC Chairman, already?


If it's none of the above, where are you getting your information?
Straight from Bartels in the pilot lounge after the DTW roadshow. You can also reread his communications on the subject. If you have any doubts after that ask him.
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond View Post
2) The bottom 2/3rds of the seniority will be the bottom 2/3rds for a fraction of the time that you and I were in that position. Like it or not, that movement will affect their perspective on things. Book it.

Over 4000 of us have been in the bottom 2/3 between 15-20 years. Is that really a fraction of your time there?
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Old 12-14-2016, 11:51 AM
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Over 4000 of us have been in the bottom 2/3 between 15-20 years. Is that really a fraction of your time there?
DId you read my post? Try again. And it's not really aimed at you anyway. It is referencing the guy that is going on his IOE this week
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