sailingfun

I guess that would depend on the price you paid for a two aircraft fleet when the manufacturer has you by the balls. We would also have had to pull out of a lot of markets the last 10 years without 757's and kept a 650 airframe RJ fleet as the A319 would have been way to expensive as a RJ replacement.

Timbo

We HAVE BEEN pulling out of a lot of markets over the last 10 years, thanks in part to all our JV Code Shares.

How's that Frankfurt and Narita Hub working out?

sailingfun

Not sure how the above relates to a fleet plan discussion. We shut Frankfurt down 20 years ago and added nonstop flights to many of the destinations served back then.
I have no idea what Narita has to do with JV code shares. Can you tell us which ones your referring to? Narita is dying because of newer aircraft that can overfly it and opening Haneda up to international flights.

Timbo

Filler....

Bucking Bar

To answer the original poster's question, one source is our September Scope Compliance & Analysis report, slide #5 which shows what's here, what's coming and what is going.

ALPA>>Your MEC>>Committees>>Scope Compliance & Analysis

If you are junior, growth in the 320 looks good, growth in the 73N, perhaps a season in the 7ER and for lower-mid-seniority guys the 330B.

Thanks to Ryan Simpson for compiling that data. He is a good volunteer for us.

Bucking Bar

Food for thought. What is Richard and Ed had been correct about fuel prices? How much money would the company have made?

Richard Anderson once said "you guys made a hell of a bet on fuel prices and so far you are in the money."

You can correlate that economic result to the rejected TA. Anderson believed fuel prices were a temporary benefit to the business and put his money where his mouth was with hedges.

Timbo

Maybe 15 years ago, but in 1996-98, I was flying MD11's into FRA feeding our 727 hub there. I would meet buddies of mine on the L10-11 laying over there too, FRA was still going strong 20 years ago.

They shut it down after 9-11 and then then got the Air France code share to do a lot of the flying WE had been doing prior to that. After the NW merger we got KLM to do some of what had been 'our' flying, and then we bought 49% of Virgin.

The company won't even honor our contractual minimum 50% of JV flying, and 82% of you said they can go down to 46.5%.

sailingfun

By MARTHA BRANNIGAN Staff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal
Updated Jan. 8, 1997 12:01 a.m. ET
ATLANTA -- Delta Air Lines , in a bid to enhance its trans-Atlantic operations, said it will bolster service out of New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport while sharply reducing operations at its Frankfurt hub.

The carrier said it will cut 600 to 800 jobs in Europe, mostly in Frankfurt, and take a charge of as much as $60 million related to the restructuring in its fiscal third quarter ending March 31. However, the changes should increase operating income by $62 million a year, the company said.

"Our strategy is to strengthen Delta's position as the No. 1 jet air carrier at JFK Airport, the largest and most important European gateway," said Ronald W. Allen, Delta's chairman, president and chief executive officer. In composite New York trading, Delta shares rose 3.2%, or $2.25, to $72.125.

Delta said it will add new nonstop service between JFK Airport and Madrid; Istanbul, Turkey; and Manchester, England; and add direct service to Warsaw via Berlin. The carrier also will extend service between JFK and Athens, Greece, to year-round from seasonal and add a daily seasonal flight from JFK to Rome. From Atlanta, the airline will add a daily flight to Stuttgart, Germany, and a daily flight to Zurich.

This announcement was the elimination of the hub in FRA. The drawdown however actually started a year earlier with the removal of the 767-200's from the IGS service.

OldFlyGuy

Rotten mood today? Did you not get what you wanted for Christmas? OK, 20 years ago? Really? Lets see.. DL 727 FRA mini-hub vs Lufthansa big boy hub and every discount carrier in Europe in/out of FRA. I wonder why it isn't still up and running? I'll certainly admit we rearranged a lot of flying over the years. Who hasn't? The Japanese govt deliberately screwed us on the Narita-Haneda deal. Its hard to fight a government unless your own government helps. The vote on the TA is over. Our JV protections are what they are and most were apparently satisfied. Have a Happy New Year. I know I plan to. OFG

KnotSoFast

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I just looked up JFK-ZRH in Jan. 5 days each week. What's your point?

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And yes, we have stopped flying to many Euro airport. Esp E Europe...

BUT-- we are flying 10-20 flights EACH DAY to AMS and CDG. Year-round.

I think that more than balances no more IST, BUD, OTP, BOM, etc.

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