newKnow

A lot of you 18 percenters don't like to admit it, but a lot of things boil down to "the numbers."

With this contract, the one you wanted to keep, every other contract before them, and even the one you wanted to "fight for," the company could have decided to go down to 46.5% and pay us a settlement check after a long-drawn out arbitration process.

My last settlement check was less than ~1/10th of what my retro check was.

My last settlement check was less than ~the monthly raise I'm getting with the signing of this contract.

My last settlement check was so small, I forgot about it and I had to ask the people around my seniority what they remember they got and when they got it.


In assessing that part of the TA, maybe 82% of us just did the math.

Dirtdiver

If we've grown so much internationally how come I'm flying rubber dog poo in a worn out 757, and 10 years ago I was a line holder on the 767-400? Sure doesn't feel like growth, unless you count narrow bodies to just outside the conus

Timbo

And a lot of you 82%'rs don't like to admit that the numbers it all comes down to is... money. You just sold scope and quality of life for a few more dollars, which bye the way, were 2004 pay rates not even adjusted for inflation, and no real increases to fix the retirements for the Dead Zone.

Have fun on that C100.

Free Bird

Really makes one wonder why we didn't get non-compliance language doesn't it?

Denny Crane

The vote is over. Beyotching about it isn't going to change anything.

Denny

Razorback flyer

If you're a delta guy you can find a document called "aircraft fleet information" (I think,) on the Deltanet which lists all aircraft currently in service & all future orders. There is also a pretty detailed list on Delta.com

Absent that, search Wikipedia for "Delta Air Lines Fleet" or try planespotters

newKnow

JV/Scope does typically boil down to money. That was the point I just made. I think the pay rates adjusted for inflation and increases to fix the retirements for the Dead Zoners that you just referred to also come down to money, too.


As far as the quality of life issues you say we sold, the downfall of the TA in 2015 was that we, as no voters, could easily articulate the many downfalls and insults that would permanently affect pilots lives.

Not too many people were able to articulate the same amount of pitfalls for this last TA. When they did, most of the potential pitfalls were attached to opt out clauses that the union could exercise.

While some things do come down to money, when selling or sinking a TA, it comes down to explaining how the quality of life concessions you speak of, negatively effect a pilots life.

I don't think you should blame the 82% for voting for the TA when the arguments for not voting for it weren't there.

newKnow

I had heard of this before the close of the vote. But, I never heard anyone articulate what they wanted in the non-complioance language.

What did you hear that would have been acceptable?

Gunfighter

I don't recall any non-compliance language being discussed. I don't even recall mention of non-compliance language in the series of emails and surveys. It came up in my communication with the reps, but I can't verify if it ever made it to the negotiating table.

Even with non-compliance language in place, we would be relying on our contract admin for enforcement. That area of our representation is where we should be focused right now. Do we have a strong team in place for contract enforcement?

hookshot123

Bingo. Thanks Razorback. It is on Deltanet under "Aircraft Fleet Information 4Q2016"