Taxi Light Usage
01-22-2017, 05:01 PM
#31
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by qball
If that's the case the video was poorly done. I'll reserve further judgement until I get to do it in the sim. A few LCAs I've talked to don't like it either.
It's just confirmation starting the ecam and pressing the clear key (saying what you're clearing and your partner confirming the clear). That's really all there is to it!
There are very few situations where you'd run a checklist before starting the status page analysis.
I had a similar reception to it as well until: a. I realized how simple it was, and b. A new hire came through that was already Airbus typed. I introduced the "new" method and his response was "what, you guys don't do it like that already?" Turns out we're the weird ones.
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01-22-2017, 07:28 PM
#34
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
You just now figuring that out Clamp? Typical bassist...always late to the party. 
Just did a 2 year stint playing all bass since that was needed! Been running a stereo rig with strymon timeline delay and big sky reverb pedals.... holy moley it sounds beyond incredible!
And hey, I've been saying we're the weird ones in the industry since I checked out on little fifi and us not doing flaps 3 as normal! But hey, they always did it that way... soooooo
01-22-2017, 07:31 PM
#35
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I was recently lobbying for AA to incorporate some kind of "lights on" policy when taking, and crossing, runways. It went nowhere. We have pretty much zero guidance on illuminating our lights when crossing runways, so if you ever see a dark aircraft crossing the runway you are holding on, chances are it is an AA aircraft. You've been warned!
At my last airline (ACA) you NEVER crossed a runway without turning all lights on. I think that is standard everywhere.
Same with "line up and wait." It's been my experience that all airlines turn strobe lights on when in "line up and wait." Except AA - we only turn strobes on when actual takeoff clearance is received. Not realizing that having the strobes on could potentially save a collision from someone trying to land on your runway. But, their opinion is that "we don't want to blind everyone."
On our A320 fleet, they just leave the strobe light switch in Auto or whatever, so they are never flashing on the ground. Another silly procedure. As I understand it, on the A320 you can manually have them on.
AA has the most non-standard lights policy I've ever seen. Just one thing on a long list of stuff we do differently!
We do have a "taxi light On" policy when moving so I guess we're standard on that.
At my last airline (ACA) you NEVER crossed a runway without turning all lights on. I think that is standard everywhere.
Same with "line up and wait." It's been my experience that all airlines turn strobe lights on when in "line up and wait." Except AA - we only turn strobes on when actual takeoff clearance is received. Not realizing that having the strobes on could potentially save a collision from someone trying to land on your runway. But, their opinion is that "we don't want to blind everyone."
On our A320 fleet, they just leave the strobe light switch in Auto or whatever, so they are never flashing on the ground. Another silly procedure. As I understand it, on the A320 you can manually have them on.
AA has the most non-standard lights policy I've ever seen. Just one thing on a long list of stuff we do differently!
We do have a "taxi light On" policy when moving so I guess we're standard on that.
01-23-2017, 02:53 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by aa73
I was recently lobbying for AA to incorporate some kind of "lights on" policy when taking, and crossing, runways. It went nowhere. We have pretty much zero guidance on illuminating our lights when crossing runways, so if you ever see a dark aircraft crossing the runway you are holding on, chances are it is an AA aircraft. You've been warned!
At my last airline (ACA) you NEVER crossed a runway without turning all lights on. I think that is standard everywhere.
Same with "line up and wait." It's been my experience that all airlines turn strobe lights on when in "line up and wait." Except AA - we only turn strobes on when actual takeoff clearance is received. Not realizing that having the strobes on could potentially save a collision from someone trying to land on your runway. But, their opinion is that "we don't want to blind everyone."
On our A320 fleet, they just leave the strobe light switch in Auto or whatever, so they are never flashing on the ground. Another silly procedure. As I understand it, on the A320 you can manually have them on.
AA has the most non-standard lights policy I've ever seen. Just one thing on a long list of stuff we do differently!
We do have a "taxi light On" policy when moving so I guess we're standard on that.
At my last airline (ACA) you NEVER crossed a runway without turning all lights on. I think that is standard everywhere.
Same with "line up and wait." It's been my experience that all airlines turn strobe lights on when in "line up and wait." Except AA - we only turn strobes on when actual takeoff clearance is received. Not realizing that having the strobes on could potentially save a collision from someone trying to land on your runway. But, their opinion is that "we don't want to blind everyone."
On our A320 fleet, they just leave the strobe light switch in Auto or whatever, so they are never flashing on the ground. Another silly procedure. As I understand it, on the A320 you can manually have them on.
AA has the most non-standard lights policy I've ever seen. Just one thing on a long list of stuff we do differently!
We do have a "taxi light On" policy when moving so I guess we're standard on that.
One of the few AA policies I agree with and I'm glad it didn't change. Gives us some discretion to not be 'that guy'.
01-23-2017, 05:46 AM
#37
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This is about as relevant as the average discussion on the lady show, "The Talk". I've been lasered more times then taxi light blasted by a DAL jet. Or nominated for the Chairman's Club. Is this really a problem?
01-23-2017, 06:08 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by aa73
I was recently lobbying for AA to incorporate some kind of "lights on" policy when taking, and crossing, runways. It went nowhere. We have pretty much zero guidance on illuminating our lights when crossing runways, so if you ever see a dark aircraft crossing the runway you are holding on, chances are it is an AA aircraft. You've been warned!
At my last airline (ACA) you NEVER crossed a runway without turning all lights on. I think that is standard everywhere.
Same with "line up and wait." It's been my experience that all airlines turn strobe lights on when in "line up and wait." Except AA - we only turn strobes on when actual takeoff clearance is received. Not realizing that having the strobes on could potentially save a collision from someone trying to land on your runway. But, their opinion is that "we don't want to blind everyone."
On our A320 fleet, they just leave the strobe light switch in Auto or whatever, so they are never flashing on the ground. Another silly procedure. As I understand it, on the A320 you can manually have them on.
AA has the most non-standard lights policy I've ever seen. Just one thing on a long list of stuff we do differently!
We do have a "taxi light On" policy when moving so I guess we're standard on that.
At my last airline (ACA) you NEVER crossed a runway without turning all lights on. I think that is standard everywhere.
Same with "line up and wait." It's been my experience that all airlines turn strobe lights on when in "line up and wait." Except AA - we only turn strobes on when actual takeoff clearance is received. Not realizing that having the strobes on could potentially save a collision from someone trying to land on your runway. But, their opinion is that "we don't want to blind everyone."
On our A320 fleet, they just leave the strobe light switch in Auto or whatever, so they are never flashing on the ground. Another silly procedure. As I understand it, on the A320 you can manually have them on.
AA has the most non-standard lights policy I've ever seen. Just one thing on a long list of stuff we do differently!
We do have a "taxi light On" policy when moving so I guess we're standard on that.
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01-23-2017, 08:48 AM
#40
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Or just don't stare directly at a plane when they get any kind of runway related clearance. Even briefly looking at full lights doesn't "ruin your night vision" come on. Turn the screens up a tiny bit. All the "run silent run deep" stuff is silly enough at cruise but on takeoff are you really scanning with all your might looking for that unlit lost Piper Cub, or are you focused on V2+whatever, course and flap speeds like everyone else? Maybe we should eliminate all lights and issue everyone FLIR.
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