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Wuzatforus 01-29-2017 12:43 PM

If the Recall Succeeds
 
C44 will hold LEC Meeting to elect interim representatives. Not a council vote. Just those who attend. (Guess who will be out in force?)

If interim election occurs before next MEC meeting and likeminded individuals are elected, expect a total recall of the four new MEC Officers. That will be followed by immediate election of new MEC officers. I struggle to believe JM would be reinstated or that he'd even want the job under these circumstances, so we'd get four new MEC officers with zero input from the pilots. Who's being teed up? That I don't know.

If the interim election does not occur, expect the same recall result because there will be two votes missing (C44 FOs will be temporarily unrepresented). Enough to recall the new officers. Again, four new MEC officers with no pilot input.

Then C44 will hold elections for "permanent" reps (to fulfill the remainder of the three year terms).

Should the members of C44 elect non old guard, you might see another recall of the newly installed officers, but I think that is unlikely because the pilot group will probably target anyone who utters the word "recall" by that point.

So, if you're looking for union turmoil for the next four to six months, here's your chance.

The south V north force is strong.

MikeF16 01-29-2017 03:36 PM

Which ironically, would be the only way to breathe life back into DPA. I had no idea my airline job included a soap opera at no extra charge.

Wuzatforus 01-29-2017 03:52 PM

Unlike the recalls of 2015, no good will come from this effort. Even if it fails, it succeeds in further dividing the MEC and the pilot group.

Viking busdvr 01-29-2017 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 2290817)
Which ironically, would be the only way to breathe life back into DPA. I had no idea my airline job included a soap opera at no extra charge.

1.9% of one's earnings is a pretty BIG charge in my world...

Bradshaw24 01-30-2017 07:33 AM

If the recalls succeed interim reps will be elected by a democratic vote at a council meeting. Everyone should make an effort to attend, and permanent reps will be elected via council wide electronic voting. Despite the FUD being propagated, this is just a democratic process. Too much fear mongering going on.

notEnuf 01-30-2017 07:57 AM

Who in the old guard is astute enough in ALPA policy to use parliamentary procedure to regain power? I can think of only one man. The so-called architect. If he returns we are all effectively silenced because he knows better than any line pilot, and we would never understand.

Wuzatforus 01-30-2017 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Bradshaw24 (Post 2291154)
If the recalls succeed interim reps will be elected by a democratic vote at a council meeting. Everyone should make an effort to attend, and permanent reps will be elected via council wide electronic voting. Despite the FUD being propagated, this is just a democratic process. Too much fear mongering going on.

Some fear a return of the past. Others long for it.

Bradshaw24 01-30-2017 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by Wuzatforus (Post 2291253)
Some fear a return of the past. Others long for it.

Nothing to fear, unless of course you fear democracy.

Wuzatforus 01-30-2017 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Bradshaw24 (Post 2291327)
Nothing to fear, unless of course you fear democracy.

I fear pilot apathy.

Karnak 01-30-2017 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2291167)
Who in the old guard is astute enough in ALPA policy to use parliamentary procedure to regain power?

As opposed to what? Torches and pitchforks?

Imagine him winning an election by 1 vote because he voted for himself. Did he ever do that?


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2291167)
I can think of only one man.

<insert bat signal>


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2291167)
The so-called architect.

<insert image of Batman>


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2291167)
If he returns we are all effectively silenced because he knows better than any line pilot, and we would never understand.

Can you cite an example when the pilot group did not support his actions?

I understand why you might feel "silenced". If I recently found myself buried underneath an 82% landslide, I'd probably feel that way too.

ALPA is run by the pilots who bother to serve and take the heat from the rest of us who don't bother to serve. It becomes "politics" only because we sometimes disagree with the decisions, choices, or priorities of the pilots who are more immersed in it than we are.

Recalls are our only accountability tool, since our reps aren't bound by any resolution we pass that tells them exactly how to vote. Recalls for anything other than violating the rules or failing to act as our reps are smelly, but within the rights of the line pilots. I trust you don't disagree with that.

If you were one of those expressing outrage at the recalls that took place after TA1, then I apologize for not remembering your posts. If you were one of those who thought those recalls were justified because of the membership ratification results in 2015, then I would appreciate reading your explanation for the double standard.


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