Goal: Delta...fly anywhere but Endeavor?
07-23-2022, 10:24 AM
#192
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Originally Posted by fenix1
If a pilot sought a career with Delta as their destination/career airline, is Endeavor - as Delta's wholly-owned carrier - the worst possible regional they could work for?
My theory is that the progressively-deepening pilot shortage is driving the major/legacy airlines to create "systems" in which they can manage the pilots (i.e., balance between regional & mainline) as they see fit to do as much cheap flying as possible, so - in flow/agreement scenarios with a wholly-owned regional - pilots who are part of the wholly-owned regional won't get to the mainline carrier as fast as they would by applying from outside the "system." Thoughts??
I have no Part 121 experience so I would love nothing more than for the folks who have done some turns to correct me if this is a bad/incorrect way of thinking.
My theory is that the progressively-deepening pilot shortage is driving the major/legacy airlines to create "systems" in which they can manage the pilots (i.e., balance between regional & mainline) as they see fit to do as much cheap flying as possible, so - in flow/agreement scenarios with a wholly-owned regional - pilots who are part of the wholly-owned regional won't get to the mainline carrier as fast as they would by applying from outside the "system." Thoughts??
I have no Part 121 experience so I would love nothing more than for the folks who have done some turns to correct me if this is a bad/incorrect way of thinking.
07-25-2022, 05:26 PM
#194
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Originally Posted by cantankerous
Not much to think about, it's absolutely true.
If you want to go to AA, choose a non AA regional. If it is Delta, stay away of Endeavor. And if you want United, forget the UAX carriers.
Simple as that, and choose your regional as a back plan to your second legacy option. Or go to Spirit or Frontier first…
07-25-2022, 05:53 PM
#195
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Originally Posted by N7SP
That is what’s happening to all legacies nowadays, they can afford bleeding their regionals, so the game is to fish on other’s ponds.
If you want to go to AA, choose a non AA regional. If it is Delta, stay away of Endeavor. And if you want United, forget the UAX carriers.
Simple as that, and choose your regional as a back plan to your second legacy option. Or go to Spirit or Frontier first…
If you want to go to AA, choose a non AA regional. If it is Delta, stay away of Endeavor. And if you want United, forget the UAX carriers.
Simple as that, and choose your regional as a back plan to your second legacy option. Or go to Spirit or Frontier first…
Of course, if the majors decide to merge in their regionals, this advice could be the reverse.
07-25-2022, 06:41 PM
#196
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Or?
Delta could also loose interest with all the DALPA, and endeavor new negotiations and assist a contractor into an slow acquisition. As seen in 2010/11 with thier other now defunct wholly owned. Maybe help create a skyeast? American has shown there committed to the 5000 pilots in the wholly owned. Bringing them into the mainline is near a sure thing.
07-26-2022, 12:02 PM
#197
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
This is wise advice. Everyone needing hours with the regionals should consider it.
Of course, if the majors decide to merge in their regionals, this advice could be the reverse.
Of course, if the majors decide to merge in their regionals, this advice could be the reverse.
07-26-2022, 12:16 PM
#198
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I was considering Endeavor until I heard they had a minimum requirement of two years as an Endeavor CA until they would consider picking you up at Delta. There are a lot of folks currently going right seat to right seat into the Legacy airlines. Why would I force myself to be somewhere for four years if I had the option of leaving earlier for a legacy? I wouldn't. Until that changes I wouldn't consider Endeavor as my regional IF Delta is where I want to be.
07-26-2022, 01:30 PM
#199
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Originally Posted by gibmaerd
don’t see this happening anytime soon
A big thing standing in the way of merging is the fact merging FAs would trigger a union vote. A vote they've spent millions trying to avoid from happening. There's creative ways to get the pilots into the family while leaving FAs high and dry but why waste the effort and money? It's easier to just pluck pilots from Spirit or any other regional .
07-26-2022, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
This is wise advice. Everyone needing hours with the regionals should consider it.
Of course, if the majors decide to merge in their regionals, this advice could be the reverse.
Of course, if the majors decide to merge in their regionals, this advice could be the reverse.
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