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zondaracer 03-12-2018 05:19 PM
Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2549363)
Delta is not going to ink a 5+ year deal with TSH without assurances, thus they would have already canceled the order, which is why we see that the rumors are intensifying on getting their flying.



Skywest is different because they have some leverage with the gate situation. There might be a carve out for them to operate for Alaska, I doubt it, but not a chance for TSH.
SkyWest does not have a carve out. Any aircraft that they fly for Alaska must not exceed the Delta Scope (76 seats, 86,000lbs).

Baradium 03-12-2018 07:18 PM
Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2549363)
Skywest is different because they have some leverage with the gate situation. There might be a carve out for them to operate for Alaska, I doubt it, but not a chance for TSH.
Scope carv outs aren't at management's whim, it's per the DALPA contract and Delta pilots are not interested in giving up scope just because it's SkyWest.

msprj2 03-12-2018 09:05 PM
Just a hunch, but if you’re going to be buying another airline maybe all you need to hire is for
Attrition???

Mesabah 03-12-2018 09:33 PM
Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2549472)
Scope carv outs aren't at management's whim, it's per the DALPA contract and Delta pilots are not interested in giving up scope just because it's SkyWest.
I believe that they can operate the MRJ90 for Alaska with 81 seats, on a separate certificate, only on flights where Delta, or its affiliates do not operate a city pair. That's the only very narrow exception. Only MRJ90/175E2 fit that exception, anything bigger is prohibited.

That's only because Alaska has the worst scope contract ever written, ever.

CBreezy 03-13-2018 05:19 AM
Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2549343)
Skywest's orders are not firm, they made their orders conditional on scope relief, TSH did not.
You have no idea what's in a private airline's CPA or order.

amcnd 03-13-2018 05:28 AM
OO management has made it very clear they are no longer in the MRJ game. They hold the paper for orders to collect penalty’s from MRJ. Also all Ejet orders are covertable from the E2 to the regular E175 (this has already happened) .. read you think uou could have a E175 program up and running in. 6 months. I would say a year. QX took a year and OO handed over tons of stuff to help them...

Mesabah 03-13-2018 06:56 AM
Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2549582)
You have no idea what's in a private airline's CPA or order.
They publish them from time to time in SEC filings.

Casualinterest 03-13-2018 07:14 AM
Not over.... Just paused...

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Baradium 03-13-2018 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2549517)
I believe that they can operate the MRJ90 for Alaska with 81 seats, on a separate certificate, only on flights where Delta, or its affiliates do not operate a city pair. That's the only very narrow exception. Only MRJ90/175E2 fit that exception, anything bigger is prohibited.

That's only because Alaska has the worst scope contract ever written, ever.
For the first part, I don't recall the specifics, but I'm skeptical there would be enough city pairs that would meet that exception to have the type operating if that is the case.


For the second, Alaska doesn't actually have any scope. Horizon could fly 737s and not violate anything from my understanding. Years ago I asked a few crews about scope and they responded that it wasn't worth negotiating for. Many of them feel differently now.

TalkTurkey 03-13-2018 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason (Post 2549257)
Nothing to see here. We’ve likely hired all we need to cover the new planes we have coming over. Those who wait get left behind...

Then again, I’m hearing rumors that EJets are slated to come on sooner than expected. My contact at C Tower has since moved along to Daddy Delta, so my sources are slim. Can anyone else confirm a renewed plan to accelerate our 175 cert?
Ejets will likely roll onto property either for or after the Summer push 2019. As to the original thread starter, I am sorry if this is disappointing. However, rest assured that the only reason we have curtailed our hiring, which will come to a brief stop, is to provide relief to our training program. Too many people and nowhere to put them.


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