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Old 05-04-2018, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 4myfamily View Post
Can we get back to the DGI? Has anyone that’s ready for an interview contacted the company and if so what are they saying? I believe all the SSP and ETD people should be gone by June so DGI should start in July “ theoretically”
I agree...this thread got hijacked by a few. Regarding the DGI, haven't heard much from the 7th floor. Either it's a moot point or the secret will be announced within a few weeks.
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Old 05-04-2018, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by saab340driver View Post
I agree...this thread got hijacked by a few. Regarding the DGI, haven't heard much from the 7th floor. Either it's a moot point or the secret will be announced within a few weeks.
There is nothing to talk about with the DGI, everyone should have their app in already if you want to move to Delta. They'll have to interview outside of the DGI since the EtD's aren't moving. It will hurt recruiting if they don't keep the movement up.
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Old 05-04-2018, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
I don't know how you got that from my post, but a 4 year degree program is a full time student to a Bachelor's degree. Delta, other than for an internship(must be a full time student), always lists the degree requirement as an Associate's, Bachelor's, or Masters. It's well know that Delta considers length of time to complete a Bachelor's in the pilot position. Just look at Delta's other job listings where a degree is required, the never say 2 year, 4 year, 6 year program.
Here is my take on the degree thingy. You got a huge stack of apps.You use the degree requirement as a way to make the stack smaller and your job easier, or you simply don't allow none-degree apps to even get in the pile. That's about the only value of the degree. Delta has demonstraed they really don't care about the degree by hiring pilots without a degree.

It simply makes the job of filling classes easier. If the day ever comes that DL is not getting enough apps, the degree will be the first fruit to fall off the tree. Then wind checks, then volunteerism.
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Old 05-04-2018, 05:40 PM
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Here is my take on the degree thingy. You got a huge stack of apps.You use the degree requirement as a way to make the stack smaller and your job easier, or you simply don't allow none-degree apps to even get in the pile. That's about the only value of the degree. Delta has demonstraed they really don't care about the degree by hiring pilots without a degree.

It simply makes the job of filling classes easier. If the day ever comes that DL is not getting enough apps, the degree will be the first fruit to fall off the tree. Then wind checks, then volunteerism.
It's no different than the military over the years.... I've been told there's a waiver for everything, but only if the military sees a need to give it to you.
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Old 05-05-2018, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Flogger View Post
Here is my take on the degree thingy. You got a huge stack of apps.You use the degree requirement as a way to make the stack smaller and your job easier, or you simply don't allow none-degree apps to even get in the pile. That's about the only value of the degree. Delta has demonstraed they really don't care about the degree by hiring pilots without a degree.

It simply makes the job of filling classes easier. If the day ever comes that DL is not getting enough apps, the degree will be the first fruit to fall off the tree. Then wind checks, then volunteerism.
I agree with you to a point but as you eluded to in your post, I feel that that logic will not work for much longer. The stack of apps that delta has is not nearly as deep as they think it is and here is why. I myself have apps out at 4 different companies and I WILL go to the first one that offers me a position, effectively removing my app from the other 3 stacks. Now extrapolate that out over every guy trying to move on. I would opine that the vast majority of us have at least 2 apps out if not many more. Divide that stack by 3 or maybe 4 and that is the true figure that all of the airlines have to pick from. Now I do understand that the pool is dynamic with people entering and leaving it everyday but he point still stands, the true stack is not nearly as deep as everyone thinks it is. With the massive amounts of retirements still yet to come it is a discriminator that will not be sustainable. That being said, we all know that all the major airlines are pretty arrogant when it comes to their hiring and they may very well believe that that stack they have over at HR is full of folks who only want to work at that particular airline but they do so at their own peril.
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Old 05-05-2018, 03:39 PM
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I agree with you to a point but as you eluded to in your post, I feel that that logic will not work for much longer. The stack of apps that delta has is not nearly as deep as they think it is and here is why. I myself have apps out at 4 different companies and I WILL go to the first one that offers me a position, effectively removing my app from the other 3 stacks. Now extrapolate that out over every guy trying to move on. I would opine that the vast majority of us have at least 2 apps out if not many more. Divide that stack by 3 or maybe 4 and that is the true figure that all of the airlines have to pick from. Now I do understand that the pool is dynamic with people entering and leaving it everyday but he point still stands, the true stack is not nearly as deep as everyone thinks it is. With the massive amounts of retirements still yet to come it is a discriminator that will not be sustainable. That being said, we all know that all the major airlines are pretty arrogant when it comes to their hiring and they may very well believe that that stack they have over at HR is full of folks who only want to work at that particular airline but they do so at their own peril.
Couldn't agree more. They love to boast the fact that they have 11,000+ applications on file but don't seem to realize that we know that the overwhelming majority of those applicants have also applied to one or more other major or low cost airlines and will likely go to, and remain at, the first one that takes them.
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Old 05-05-2018, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JetDoc View Post
I agree with you to a point but as you eluded to in your post, I feel that that logic will not work for much longer. The stack of apps that delta has is not nearly as deep as they think it is and here is why. I myself have apps out at 4 different companies and I WILL go to the first one that offers me a position, effectively removing my app from the other 3 stacks. Now extrapolate that out over every guy trying to move on. I would opine that the vast majority of us have at least 2 apps out if not many more. Divide that stack by 3 or maybe 4 and that is the true figure that all of the airlines have to pick from. Now I do understand that the pool is dynamic with people entering and leaving it everyday but he point still stands, the true stack is not nearly as deep as everyone thinks it is. With the massive amounts of retirements still yet to come it is a discriminator that will not be sustainable. That being said, we all know that all the major airlines are pretty arrogant when it comes to their hiring and they may very well believe that that stack they have over at HR is full of folks who only want to work at that particular airline but they do so at their own peril.
The last two people I heard from who had talked to AA HR in 2017, said they had 3000 resumes that met the mins, down from 13,000 in 2007.
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Old 05-06-2018, 03:36 AM
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The last two people I heard from who had talked to AA HR in 2017, said they had 3000 resumes that met the mins, down from 13,000 in 2007.
Doesn’t AA have a regional flow program? How many are in that group?
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Old 05-06-2018, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by msprj2 View Post
Doesn’t AA have a regional flow program? How many are in that group?
Ballpark of 4000 among all 3
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Originally Posted by Avroman View Post
Ballpark of 4000 among all 3
I believe the original words quoted were they had 3000 apps that were competitive (or some similar word). I wonder how many FO and newly minted CA with the WOs are considered competitive by AA HR? With the amount of relatively new hires, my guess is not many.

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