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Old 05-08-2018, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21 View Post
He was trying to tell you to chill and instead you went on a rant to tell him he's wrong, interesting.

For clarity, this is a 9E guy currently AT Delta, maybe his opinion is actually pretty worthwhile for what's required to get to Delta.

Lastly, we all know the DGI can't start until the SSP's are gone. (There's some question whether the ETD pilots also hold it up) Last I heard the last SSP's expected to be gone in June. Once the last SSP's are gone there will be something to complain about, until then, it's all speculation. They don't HAVE to tell us a bunch before then; July 1 they could say "send us an email and submit your app to Delta" it's not necessarily a huge process.

But if you want to continue to be all riled up, be my guest.
Normally i would take my time and shrink my reply length. If it comes off as a rant that isn't my intent. I hit his high point, referred him to the rest of my posts if he has some question on my position or his own (because it is in flux), and then resaid what I said. It's gone from I'm wrong, to I'm not positive enough, to I'm not chill enough, and maybe that's what I get for posting here.

I've been warned not to post because facts are the last thing that matter online. So while I mockingly thank you and others for your pro-tips, I'm done. Let the [female dog]-boards be the [female-dog]-boards.
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Old 05-08-2018, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown View Post
What I said was that the DGI wasn't meaningful. Not that it wouldn't start. I did say that there are pilots here qualified and no interview has happened.

Also I'd refer you to my and your previous posts as to what you're "just" saying, and that will clarify the rest of the above.

The DGI, as it stands, will have to change (again). But none of that was what i was referring to. A post was made blaming the union, for the DGI not going. My point was to stop blaming the union. As ive said for a while, you chose to come here with a dgi that had no contractual binding.

On one of my post i was corrected about no one being eligible, which is factually incorrect, and i replied. You came in shortly after needing to correct my attitude.

My point is and remains don't blame the union or even other pilots for this DGI not being what it was sold as. There are far too many opportunities, and if you aren't happy here leave. I have no problem showing up here for work, doing my job, and getting that check (my favorite part).

Now if I'm not positive enough for you, in my viewpoint that's a "you" problem not a "me" problem.
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Old 05-08-2018, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21 View Post
Once the last SSP's are gone there will be something to complain about, until then, it's all speculation.
If he's eligible for the DGI now, according to the DGI document (which makes no reference to the SSP in the eligibility criteria or timing), and he's not receiving his DGI now, then that's very much something to complain about.
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Old 05-09-2018, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by vessbot View Post
If he's eligible for the DGI now, according to the DGI document (which makes no reference to the SSP in the eligibility criteria or timing), and he's not receiving his DGI now, then that's very much something to complain about.
The SSP has wording regarding successor programs and when they can start movement.
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Old 05-09-2018, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium View Post
The SSP has wording regarding successor programs and when they can start movement.
I'm talking about DGI wording, not SSP wording. SSP has nothing to do with it.

If Al makes me a promise (a "guaranteed" one, at that) to do something for me in exchange for something I did for him, and he doesn't hold up his end, that's on him. Whatever deal he has with Bob that's preventing him from following through, is between Al and Bob, not between Al and me. If that's the impediment, then Al made a promise he couldn't keep, and I'm left holding the bag.
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by vessbot View Post
I'm talking about DGI wording, not SSP wording. SSP has nothing to do with it.

If Al makes me a promise (a "guaranteed" one, at that) to do something for me in exchange for something I did for him, and he doesn't hold up his end, that's on him. Whatever deal he has with Bob that's preventing him from following through, is between Al and Bob, not between Al and me. If that's the impediment, then Al made a promise he couldn't keep, and I'm left holding the bag.
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Old 05-10-2018, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by vessbot View Post
I'm talking about DGI wording, not SSP wording. SSP has nothing to do with it.

If Al makes me a promise (a "guaranteed" one, at that) to do something for me in exchange for something I did for him, and he doesn't hold up his end, that's on him. Whatever deal he has with Bob that's preventing him from following through, is between Al and Bob, not between Al and me. If that's the impediment, then Al made a promise he couldn't keep, and I'm left holding the bag.
The SSP is contractual, the DGI is not. The company has to comply with the wording of the SSP. It states that the SSP must be complete before any other program starts.

The DGI can be taken away completely tomorrow if the company wants to do that, because it was never signed by our collective bargaining agent which is ALPA. The company can also change the terms and conditions on that document on a whim, because it wasn’t signed by ALPA. This isn’t a knock on ALPA, the goal is to get something better. Hopefully ALPA achieves that goal.
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Old 05-10-2018, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DL31082 View Post
The SSP is contractual, the DGI is not. The company has to comply with the wording of the SSP. It states that the SSP must be complete before any other program starts.

The DGI can be taken away completely tomorrow if the company wants to do that, because it was never signed by our collective bargaining agent which is ALPA. The company can also change the terms and conditions on that document on a whim, because it wasn’t signed by ALPA. This isn’t a knock on ALPA, the goal is to get something better. Hopefully ALPA achieves that goal.
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Old 05-10-2018, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DL31082 View Post
The SSP is contractual, the DGI is not. The company has to comply with the wording of the SSP. It states that the SSP must be complete before any other program starts.

The DGI can be taken away completely tomorrow if the company wants to do that, because it was never signed by our collective bargaining agent which is ALPA. The company can also change the terms and conditions on that document on a whim, because it wasn’t signed by ALPA. This isn’t a knock on ALPA, the goal is to get something better. Hopefully ALPA achieves that goal.
Somewhat true/false. There is a small group where the DGI is contractual. Those guys were hired from the start of 2015 to July of 2015.
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Old 05-10-2018, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DL31082 View Post
The SSP is contractual, the DGI is not. The company has to comply with the wording of the SSP. It states that the SSP must be complete before any other program starts.

The DGI can be taken away completely tomorrow if the company wants to do that, because it was never signed by our collective bargaining agent which is ALPA. The company can also change the terms and conditions on that document on a whim, because it wasn’t signed by ALPA. This isn’t a knock on ALPA, the goal is to get something better. Hopefully ALPA achieves that goal.
All of this is true. None of it justifies reneging on a promise, or should satisfy the recipient of that reneged promise. It's very bizarre that that recipient is told that he's unreasonable for being upset and should shut up about it.

It does reinforce the importance of getting a promise in writing, and also undermines the worth of a casual, non-contractual one. "Guaranteed" in the title notwithstanding.
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