Baradium

They don't need to be competitive. They have a no interview flow so they just move to AA when their number comes up.

TransWorld

I understand your point. I don’t have knowledge inside the minds of AA HR, but I doubt the 3,000 competitive apps. included the ‘non-competative’ FO and newly minted CA at the WOs. Yes, they have flow, but I doubt they count the 1,501 hour FO that just started flying the line yesterday as being competitive. Just my educated guess.

Baradium

I understand they don't have to have applications in either, so I don't think they count in the number regardless.

1337pilot

Enough about AA. As of right now, it's almost impossible to get in there outside of one of their three flows. If you want to get hired there off the street you have to either be a check airman, military, know someone, or have something else special about you that makes them take you. This is from an AA pilot that actually showed me the numbers from their union about where their new hires come from. Now, when their retirements accelerate this will all probably change. But for now most of their new hires are flows that have spent the better part of the last decade or longer at Envoy and friends. Don't get me wrong, I like AA, but for the time being just being a regular RJ line pilot at Endeavor you probably have a better chance at DL.

That being said, has there been anymore news about the DGI or anything related? Since the last 3 pages of this thread are about AA.

Flogger

No word on DGI and there's the rub. I was not here for the SSP, but the folks who tanked on that one very much blame a lack of communication.

Now, granted that none of the folks who got to DL thru the SSP are around to brag about the attributes of the program, only folks who feel negative about it are around to beech. That being said, the silence about DGI is disconcerting.

Mesabah

The EtD is what failed, not the DGI. The union said they were working with these guys to get them moving. However, looking at the last SL, one still hasn't upgraded yet, so the two year clock hasn't even started.

1337pilot

If they really wanted to get a move on it, they could tell him to sh1t or get off the pot. One guy's personal decision or lack of motivation not to upgrade shouldn't be their excuse, unless of course the DGI was a gimmick. Now why one would want to spend anymore time then they have to on regional FO pay when they have a mainline job waiting for them.... beyond me.

flydiamond

So when does the first non-rehire captain under the DGI actually become eligible? Not one who is counting prior service as captain to Pinnacle and was told by recruiting that that time counts towards 2 years, but one that came in, maybe from Air Wisconsin or where not and upgraded within a few months. I’d be real concerned if that person is becoming eligible in the next 3 months and we still haven’t heard anything. But I think we’re still 5 months or so away from that. And I really don’t think that the ETD guys will hold up the DGI... morale would tank fast.

1337pilot

That's about the number I've heard 5 to 6 months off still, and I think there are a few SSP folks to go as well. I personally am not holding my breath for DGI to happen at all, I just wanted to get the thread back on track and see if anyone knew or heard anything. The way I see it, we all have to start at a regional, and at least we managed to set the standard not too badly for hourly pay. As a CA here I'll be significantly wealthier than all of my buddies I went to college with (non-aviation), with still a fraction of the actual work of a "real" job, and a pretty good idea of a future career path. I'm not particularly interested in working at DL anyway, my goal is to get some PIC experience and see how the landscape looks in a couple years then decide what to do next. And in the meantime if stuck here for a while, it's not a bad place to be overall, and I hope that continues.

Mesabah

They may have a decent military pension, as the requirements for the EtD were ridiculous. The DGI is not a gimmick, the EtD was. The question is what legal options Delta has, they can't interview in seniority order(violates the EtD), but they could interview in the order in which you submitted your application.