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Old 06-15-2018, 12:47 PM
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Noobie here looking at Endeavor.



MSP, I live about 30 minutes from the airport and wouldn't mind reserve for however long it may be if I got to sit it at home. Are people getting MSP out of training or shortly there after?


Training: is it all done in MSP? Sleeping at home during training would be fantastic!
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Old 06-15-2018, 02:13 PM
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Training is in MSP. MSP is our most senior base. If it’s absolutely vital that you get it out of training, while I wholly enjoy this company, i suggest you apply to Skywest. The most junior reserve captain is something like a 1998 hire in MSP. I don’t recall anyone as of late (maybe ever since I’ve been here) getting MSP out of training or at least not for a couple of vacancies. Even then, prepare to sit DEEP in reserve not flying much at all. Otherwise prepare to commute to New York for a while before you can hold it. Because that’s what you’ll be getting
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Old 06-15-2018, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by looseombi View Post
Noobie here looking at Endeavor.



MSP, I live about 30 minutes from the airport and wouldn't mind reserve for however long it may be if I got to sit it at home. Are people getting MSP out of training or shortly there after?


Training: is it all done in MSP? Sleeping at home during training would be fantastic!

A quick look at the seniority list shows a few MSP 900 FOs hired January this year, so it is attainable after a few vacancies.
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FO-yes, CA-no
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Appreciate the input.
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Originally Posted by PilotMechanic View Post
A quick look at the seniority list shows a few MSP 900 FOs hired January this year, so it is attainable after a few vacancies.
True but you overlooked one problem and it’s a big one...

Guy gets the 200 (which about 1/3 to 2/5 of the new hires get) and will never ever ever see MSP. He’ll be ready to upgrade by the time his 18 month seat lock on the 200 is up.
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True but you overlooked one problem and it’s a big one...

Guy gets the 200 (which about 1/3 to 2/5 of the new hires get) and will never ever ever see MSP. He’ll be ready to upgrade by the time his 18 month seat lock on the 200 is up.
Your not seat locked unless you switch planes, so if he was awarded a 200 slot and moves to the 900, the seat lock would apply to the 900. Bigger issue is getting differences training on the 900 right now.
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I got MSP 900 before I finished OE... I’ll never upgrade here, but it is nice for now. For June, MSP 900 FO had the most junior lineholder...

As hiring and training picks back up, I would guess there will be more 900 spots open. Hope the last four of your social are high!
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Your not seat locked unless you switch planes, so if he was awarded a 200 slot and moves to the 900, the seat lock would apply to the 900. Bigger issue is getting differences training on the 900 right now.
This changed with LOA 91. There is now an 18 month new hire seat lock. Many of the people still waiting for differences are from 17-05 before the LOA went into effect.like NotMe said, you better have a “good” ssn.


New Hire First Officer Freeze

An 18 month freeze, commencing on the pilot’s date of hire, will apply to new hire pilots. The freeze would prevent a First Officer from being awarded another Category (i.e. 200 FO to 900 FO or the reverse), but will not delay or prevent a First Officer from being awarded a CA position. There is also an exception for a new domicile.

The freeze will take effect January 1, 2018 and will apply to all First Officers with less than 18 months from their date of hire. Awards published prior to January 1, 2018 will not be affected.”
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My info is now a few months old but my class, and the class before/after mine, were split 50% 900 50% 200. Preferences awarded according to social security number, last 4 digits. 9xxx most "senior," 0xxx most "junior." There were a handful of guys in my class wanting the 900 who didn't get it. They were awarded the 200 (and, consequently, less time on reserve in NYC).

You may already know this, but if MSP is really important to you, you can most likely get it out of training at SkyWest as an FO, and it's one of their most junior bases for Captains as well.

Most new hires are spending at least a little bit of time (one week ish) in PHX for the beginning of maneuvers training. Other than that, all training is currently done in Minneapolis.
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