Yes, they directed a change to both OO and 9E that captured several additional metrics including wheels rolling on pushback. The new version rolled out and was installed at both properties several months ago. I would argue that they don’t have authority to change procedure at an airline as that would involve operational control.

We do not. It was going to be rolled out but turned off at Delta’s request. They have us fly in and out of NYC at M.80 to maintain on time arrivals, also at DLs request. It just wastes fuel but for some reason it’s what DL wants.

All good info, thanks.

As far as the higher fuel burn goes, Delta has shown a propensity to spend money to keep the operation as reliable as possible so I’m not surprised about that.

For us it was a two fold response to the company. Yes, we said “Umm.. no” to the company’s drive to keep the brake up until push but we also spoke to them in words they’d understand. “You either want on-time departures or you want to fix latency. Can’t have both, take your pick.” As others have said, without an actual union, I wish y’all the best of luck.

9E uses "if you're not clacking, you're slacking". .82 Tally Ho!

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This 😂 100%

We did have a fuel savings plan in place, but customer service is the focus. So go fast everywhere, and APU extended use for cabin temperature control.

The clacker doesn't go off until after you pass through the first red bar on the CRJ. Ask any 9E pilot.

I swear to God you all better be joking or been there on accident. We had a rash of idiots here years back and we shamed them into flying like an adult. We'll do it again.

Hahaha!

That’s more like it, I’m seening more and more M 0.80 on the legs page of the realease.

It used to be that inbound to NYC M.80 was the standard, but nowadays M.80 is normal going in or out of NYC.

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Unless you're in one of the short 3. The 700's are typically filed at .74...

Only because no one has gone through to change all default pairings to be .80. not even dispatchers think those 700s will be around long enough that the 700s are worth it.

I like to think of the filed speeds as "suggestions"

You would think. Ask those at PSA how well that’s going for them.

I love how fast people like to fly. Every minute you fly faster is 1 to 2 dollars out of your check that delta gets to keep. Management loves it as management gets incentives on your OPR metrics. Keep clacking folks. Love it.

Now in regards to the OP’s message, well there’s a few things about dropping brake for push. 1, welcome to New York City. You can take those routes right out of us and enjoy your pay cut for which you can’t do squat about. 2, dropping the break for push and eliminating latency is a way Delta subsidizes their lazy ground staffers to you so you can pay for their slow performance and nothing has to get fixed. 3, if you can’t fight it, sorry. Should have worked somewhere else. No offense. Honestly. Business as usual.

We don't get paid block or better.

Nope, but you can beat SAT with the right combo.

Sure, but the stars have to align properly for that to happen, especially with the built in buffers in NYC. I've seen captains taxi painfully slow and purposely not set the brake to squeeze an extra cheeseburger out of Delta. At some point, you have to be a professional.

This was brought up to a group of us by the CP... Our response at first was, NOPE, then I said, well that's fine if you want to change our pay to DOOR CLOSE TO DOOR OPEN ONLY, my brake will stay set... Crickets... My brake is off as the door closes and doesn't go on after landing til I call for door open... you want me to sit unpaid for 3 hours (that constantly are turning into 5+ before the last leg home.... FUPM!. Grow some nuts and at least form an in house union OO... FUPM or find 4500 new pilots.. in 2 weeks...

If they wanted reliable, they would get the F out of the Northeast, and take us with them... but the idiots that live and work there are so used to paying 50% more for EVERYTHING than the rest of the country that the money outweighs the crap show that is operating there.

We have a former Director of Ops here that has a boat named "the extra tenth", I'll give you one minute to figure that one out...

The built in buffers aren't sat. Im over sat on the reg. If someone's milking it, that borderline stupid, but my on time has to be close to good and i beat sat. The real problem ive found is fos cant log into rainmaker and if they can they dont know what anything means. True story. About half of you think FLICA is somehow related to pay, the other half cant be bothered to learn where their paycheck comes from.

I've delayed the brake set/door open when we are late and I'm trying to give the station the full 35 minutes to turn the plane. With a lot of pink tags to deal with these stations are already hard pressed to successfully turn in 35 minutes, that extra 50 seconds has often made the difference. Now I don't taxi at rotation like Southwest, nor do I get passed by snails like American.

So you’re calling everyone who works and lives there an idiot? Just want to get that straight so I can tell them all who says that.

We get paid scheduled AVERAGE time or better. Do you know how averages work? Every time you're above the average you're making money for everyone when the new SAT's are calculated.

I don't taxi slow, but I drop the brake at door close. You'd be surprised how often we're over SAT, and at my rate I get a cheeseburger's amount of pay every 3 minutes. I'm gonna get pretty fat.

You never know when something is going to crop up to delay your push, if you're sitting there with the brake set waiting for departure time, you're potentially losing money if you could have been over SAT on this leg. On time door close is D-3; on four legs even if nothing goes wrong, you could be losing 12 minutes by keeping the brake set. That's like $15-20 at Captain's rates.

If they want us to hold the brake release then they should pay us door close to door open, if they change that I'll drop the brake whenever they'd like.

Don't be confused by this thread. On the line at 9E, when the door is shut the brake gets dropped. There is no discussion.

Lol thanks for getting back on the rails

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It is, however, what mainline does and is likely where the thought to change policy comes from. The problem is that mainline gets paid BOB so SATs don't matter and block is usually long enough.

Yea in a way I guess I am. Why live in that crowding, congestion, cost (and in many parts filth, hello
the piles of garbage trashbags all along Times Square) and the lousy weather for the same price you could live in San Diego or much of Hawaii? The only major city on the continent I'd less rather be in is Mexico City. In the words of Ted DiBiase, "Everyone has their price" I just know my price is so wildly far above what any pilot (or employee) of Endeavor would ever make that it's not worth thinking of... ( my price would be a number so stupid it's not worth mentioning, just as some feel about my city, and that's just fine... we luckily still have a choice for now)

I’m below min day almost every single day in September, therefore I fly as fast as I feel like.