Endeavor or Skywest
 

Hey everyone,

Just looking for some insight as to which one to pick. I will be living in Minneapolis. Is the extra pay and supposedly better work rules worth commuting to New York for? Or would I be better off going to skywest just for the junior MSP base?

Endeavor for sure. Republic over Sky as well. They have some based near you.

I’ve done both. Picked OO first because I thought being closer to home would offset the lower pay. Then I made the mistake of picking the ERJ and never flew, was never home (ORD).

Made the jump to 9E, got MSP based and am well paid now. I still don’t fly, but I’m close to home.

As for your situation, I wouldn’t count on an MSP base with 9E. I would recommend OO in the CRJ - you can get MSP almost immediately and will fly like crazy, all while living in base (the most important factor in this equation). The pay isn’t as different now as when I made the jump.

Just free advice from the internet...

Honestly I would never consider Skywest before but now with our very slow movement and not having any classes available till later 2019 I would go to Skywest. Pick the CRJ and from what I understand it is a junior base for FOs and CAs. Here at EDV you can get it as a FO but will take you 15 years to get it as a CA. Their pay is better now and I believe it matches Republic. Being home based is a huge QOL item.

Skywest 100% no questions asked if you're from MSP. You'll never see it as a captain at endeavor and it's the Jr CA base at skywest. Living in base is amazing commuting to Kew gardens and a co domicile is not.

This advice will last for your entire career. Living in base = QOL period!
Endeavor may have better pay rates but SkyWest has decent duty rigs now. Go to the airline that will let you be at home. If you are in MSP then that airline is SkyWest. Another plus is OO (SkyWest) is growing right now and 9E (Endeavor) is not. Our growth is only a rumor at this point. Even if you were lucky enough to get called back by HR you would be stuck on reserve in NYC for well over a year unless we bring +20 new jets online.

Lots of Endeavor guys will talk smack about the OO guys. At the end of the day we are all equals operating the same types of aircraft in similar working conditions. The people I see who hate their lives the most are the ones who have to commute to base.

Skywest sucks. But you should definitely go there over 9E in your situation. Just my two cents.

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No brainer...
 

MSP? Go to SkyWest.

Projecting much? :rolleyes:

No I just think they suck.... but that doesn't mean he shouldn't go there if it's the best option which it sounds like it is going for him. For his potential experience, endeavor would suck worse.

This.

Almost everything about Skywest is empirically inferior to Endeavor, from pay and benefits to stuff like what you can spend your stipend on at Crew Outfitters. That said, living in base goes a LONG way, and hopefully Skywest will work to improve pay and, effectively, negate the difference by allowing you to not have to spend a chunk of your life commuting. Endeavor might suck more in practice for you, especially if it means New York.

DTW's still an option for you, though, no? It's still a commute, but not nearly as gnarly as NYC, if you still want to come here.

Well Endeavor is barely hiring at all let alone to MSP, so it’s not really even an option. MSP is junior at Skywest.

Skywest without a doubt. Commuting sucks and commuting to the most expensive city in the US? You will spend the extra money on crash pads, hotel and transportation as you will be on reserve at two airports without company transportation between them for RSV pilots.

Easy decision!

How about ATL at ENDVR, is that a FO junior base?

No. It will take over a year if things don't change. The only junior base is NYC.

The 2 first words sum up everything!

There will not be a new contract soon, we just got an industry retreating contract that we will be stuck with for years. The training is getting worse and the management is more cut throat than ever. Don't think being understaffed is a good thing.

I prefer to call it an "agreement" or "company offering"

www.skywestalpa.org

I still am in disbelief that Skywest hasn't organized. Having a strong union is required in this job as an essential part of safety in the decision making process.

I can understand not wanting to deal with ALPA but to not at least have a true in house union is silly.

The unfortunate side of trying to organize is that it’s incredibly expensive. I can’t remember the actual numbers but it would be asking 100% of the pilots to hand over a little more than just a pretty penny to cover legal fees to get something going. Try asking all the 23 year old kids fresh out of ERAU to give up their date night with that PSP flight attendant money.

Wait wait wait. ERAU kids go on dates?

Yeah, that doesn't really sound too likely...:confused:








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about as likely as Delta giving us a flow.

We were 7 votes short of having a successful ALPA drive in 2007. Not sure how management manages to keep unions out, but they do. Hoping the drive is successful this time around. Most people I talk to either want ALPA or to certify SAPA as a real union. The latter will just cost too much money is my guess. When Southwest did it, Herb helped the pilots front the start up costs.

I'll "Schedule with Safety" on my own until then I suppose.

The fact is that SkyWest’s latest pay agreement passed by more than 2/3 of the pilot group. Some of you guys need a hobby.

Because 2/3 of the pilot group got the vast majority of the improvements.:rolleyes:

The one that just pays sort of okay? Yeah, real barn burner. Guess there was nowhere to go but up, though.

Don’t get me wrong, I was rooting for something better for Skywest. A rising tide raising all ships and all. Seems like they settled, though, which is unfortunate.

Why pay top dollar and encourage that many more lifers clogging up the captain seats??? Take a few bucks less and move right on up and out. Look at our list, 1/4th at least are lifers. Not good for guys needing that upgrade to start the interview clock, especially the ones not interested in having to sit reserve in NYC. :rolleyes: