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Old 04-05-2019, 03:17 PM
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So what exactly is my motivation for saving Delta multiple millions of dollars a year by increasing the complexity of my operation via SET, and increasing the cabin temperature without the APU running in addition to that single engine?

I ride in enough hot cabins on maineline in my middle economy seat. I just assume enjoy my ride on my metal.
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Old 04-05-2019, 03:21 PM
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So what exactly is my motivation for saving Delta multiple millions of dollars a year by increasing the complexity of my operation via SET, and increasing the cabin temperature without the APU running in addition to that single engine?

I ride in enough hot cabins on maineline in my middle economy seat. I just assume enjoy my ride on my metal.
How about job security? Bargaining collateral when they want to ship our planes to someone else? Bargaining collateral for more career progression? As TW always says, we sell numbers to Delta. He's right.

If you can't understand how helping trim fat and save the company money, with nearly no additional effort on your part will benefit you long term, you should probably broaden your perspective.

With that said, most of us on the line are doing this as efficiently as possible, and this feels like we aren't being recognized for doing this already. I doubt that is the case, so don't take it personally.
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Old 04-05-2019, 03:37 PM
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How about job security? Bargaining collateral when they want to ship our planes to someone else? Bargaining collateral for more career progression? As TW always says, we sell numbers to Delta. He's right.

If you can't understand how helping trim fat and save the company money, with nearly no additional effort on your part will benefit you long term, you should probably broaden your perspective.

With that said, most of us on the line are doing this as efficiently as possible, and this feels like we aren't being recognized for doing this already. I doubt that is the case, so don't take it personally.
I lived SET for years at XJET.

On the 700/900, it's not a big deal, except for a lack of extra fuel. Gotta be more careful with holding and reroutes. Real easy to paint yourself into a low fuel corner.

On the 200, same as above in the air, but on the ground you simply don't comply with the APU guidance spring thru fall.

No more leaving the APU running in between flights. Be a Captain and make sure the ground personnel hook up air before you leave the aircraft.

No big deal. Just different.
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Old 04-05-2019, 03:41 PM
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I focus on customer comfort, you can save all the money you want, but if the customer doesn't come back, you gained nothing.
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Old 04-05-2019, 03:45 PM
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How about job security? Bargaining collateral when they want to ship our planes to someone else? Bargaining collateral for more career progression?
1. It’s a regional, there is no job security. Despite hitting 12/12 on OPR in Q1.
2. Skywest is getting all the new planes, we MIGHT get a few ********* over CA tails from G7. I’ll believe it when we sign the release.
3. There won’t be any career progression, that is a pie in the sky.

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As TW always says, we sell numbers to Delta. He's right.
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If you can't understand how helping trim fat and save the company money, with nearly no additional effort on your part will benefit you long term, you should probably broaden your perspective.
I understand Delta wants to save even more money to dump into profit sharing. Why should I help maineline make more money off my back?

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With that said, most of us on the line are doing this as efficiently as possible, and this feels like we aren't being recognized for doing this already. I doubt that is the case, so don't take it personally.
I already do some of this efficiency they are looking for, I am asking - what is my motivation in this exactly?
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I am asking - what is my motivation in this exactly?
Asked and answered already. Why are you asking a second time?
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Old 04-05-2019, 04:36 PM
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So what exactly is my motivation for saving Delta multiple millions of dollars a year by increasing the complexity of my operation via SET, and increasing the cabin temperature without the APU running in addition to that single engine?

I ride in enough hot cabins on maineline in my middle economy seat. I just assume enjoy my ride on my metal.
Ok I know many of the users on APC just spew stupid stuff just to get a rise out of the reader maybe you are one of those guys. So I will take the bait. There are many things I disagree with but I get PAID to run my ship the way the company dictates. Simple. No stress. As far as increasing your complexity, really? You are a professional, one step at a time, easy, done and dusted.

This middle seat argument going around, seriously snowflake's? Yes we should be given the same respect as our big brothers at daddy D but we are not. BoooooHooooo! Yes it sucks but I will leave it up to the union to fix and when I get a chance voce my displeasure to management, getting stuck in a middle seat, oh well, it's part of the job I get paid to do.

FOR 900 DRIVERS: Start Rant!!
To really throw fuel on the fire YES I do rolling cross bleed starts! (when cabin temp allows) Parking brake "Set" vs "SET" does not mean bring the aircraft to a stop, ensuring the parking brake is "ON" and watch the FO start the engine. I mean why should it be any different than a rolling start with the APU on? OH but its not safe! All that added thrust my damage the A380 behind you. The added thrust which is no greater than the thrust required to taxi on a singe engine and half the break away thrust just to get the ship moving is not going to damage the plane behind you and if it does THEY ARE TO CLOSE. Don't be that 900 driver in KLGA who requested a taxi to the deice pad so he could do a cross bleed start, that is skywest stupid. But then again the Complexity may creep up and scare a few off.

BTW single engine taxi + APU saves no Fuel. 74,000 + pounds single engine requires aprox 700+LBS/hr on the operating engine just to keep it rolling add the 200 LBS/hr on the APU and you have 900LBS/hr total which is really really close to the 1000LBS/hr it takes to taxi on both engines.

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FOR 900 DRIVERS: Start Rant!!
To really throw fuel on the fire YES I do rolling cross bleed starts! (when cabin temp allows) Parking brake "Set" vs "SET" does not mean bring the aircraft to a stop,
Yes it means exactly that, bring it to a stop.
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Delta is making billions despite your miniscule inefficiencies and now you are bent out if shape about being 5% more efficient? Will they be 5% nicer to you?
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Asked and answered already. Why are you asking a second time?
It’s called a response, followed by the original question not getting a satisfactory answer.
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