Levelout

When JM - sent the message the TA was approved by the afa , this doesn’t mean the mec liked it and thought it could pass a vote. This TA, would only help the fas temporary, and if you read it, it’s still trash with a few items that look shiny.

Why I write, is pilots are selling it to the fas. Right now and they have not researched it and seem to be using the it’s new so, it must be good mentality. Even if it’s a new car , it could be a lemon and right now, It’s a flaming ball of something you do not want to fall on you, is to put it nicely.

So quick items forgotten

-American Airlines wholly owned Envoy receives 6% profit sharing
(None for endeavor )
-Skywest Per diem is $1.95
(They want to give us 1.85 like pilots )
-Premium Pay scale when given more hours ( express jet has not mentioned in endeavor TA )
There are many more issues and short-comings to compare it to but it would be a book. Just on the pay side


Min Wage in NYC
15.00hr or
2,400 a month

Today a Endeavor Flight Attendant new hire 18.00 = 1,368.00 a month
16,416 a yr
Top out @ 16yrs
35.48
2, 661 a month
31,923 a yr

New ta - @ signing
19.00 that is
17,000 a yr
a flight hr to start
And the scale goes up to 20 yrs @ 41.50
37,080 a yr
This qualifies over 1/2 the workgroup for section 8 housing and up to a 6yr flight attendant on section 42 housing. medical paid for by the state of New York , and even some on food stamps in major cities. Over 50% of the flight attendants are under 3-4 yr fas so, this is going to impact them the greatest.
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We have been told we can’t compare the old comair rates are they are not an airline anymore but, we fly their metal.


In 2002, Comair fas signed a TA with teamsters
It was 19.10 for a new hire
Using inflation that is
27.26
2,044.50 a month

Top out
16yrs Comair was
34.86 in 2002
with inflation
$49.76

Please educate yourself. Our structure in the afa union sounds similar to alpa but, we all pay a flat fee , even united and Alaska pay the same flat fee as an endeavor flight attendant for representation and not a percent like alpa. You’re selling something that will never get fas off of government assistance or a fighting chance.

I would like to know what their rates were in 2002 for pilots , if someone has a payscale for around 2002-2004? Could you share it below ?

JulesWinfield

I can't speak for everyone, but I haven't seen any pilots selling anything. Most of us know next to nothing about your work rules or contract negotiations.

Casualinterest

I'm definitely not selling it to anyone. What I read didn't sound all that impressive. I lost interest pretty quick once I realized I had no idea what the last contract was like and have nothing to compare it to. But I had one question that I didn't immediately see. Does the new ta include a min day? Also, what's with the hard cap on call in honest? That's kinda messed up.

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Levelout

Min day is 3hrs it changing sometime to 4hrs in the length of the contract but the other airlines already have a 4hr Min-day.

Someone did a podcast To break down the TA with their opinions

‪Listen to "Episode 6- Tentative Agreement " https://anchor.fm/talking-timo/episodes/Episode-6--Tentative-Agreement-e445lt‬

Baradium

Just like when a previous Endeavor ALPA MEC sent a TA to "let the pilots see it" (followed by claims it needed to pass), the MEC should not send a TA for vote if they don't think it's a good one. This feels like a setup to place blame on pilots if it passes. It is fully on the MEC to not send a TA for voting if they don't think it's a good one or could pass a vote, do not make excuses for that.

Boats and Hos

The F/A’s insurance will double from 300 to 600$ which is just unsustainable. They simply won’t be able to afford the increase on the minimal increase in hourly rate. I think if it somehow passes, a lot will leave.

I support the guys and girls in back. They’re on their feet all day and get beat up a lot and not just by the passengers. I think the contract, and the recent propel program, is really what little they think of us. Very sad. I don’t see how we can grow when we keep going backwards.

VoiceOfReason

This is simply not true. I saw JM on my commute three days ago. I had this read this, too. This was a misquote from some of the initial talking points that were sent out. They were told the rates were biweekly, but the totals are actually monthly. Our FAs have it hard enough, we don't need to stoke fears and fan flames with fake news.

What I've seen of the deal, it really is industry leading on a lot of fronts. I just hope the troops read through it and make their own minds up, instead of being encouraged how to vote with bad info.

Green Needles

[it really is industry leading on a lot of fronts. [/QUOTE]

I think we all need to reexamine our definition of the "industry." Why do we buy into the propaganda that the regional airlines should be some subpar, low paid outcast separate from the AIRLINE industry?

VoiceOfReason

Well, until you or I have the chance to bring that up to Ed at Daddy D, we will need to just accept the realities of our situation. They could change everything with the swift stroke of a pen, but that ain't happening on his watch. Again, focus on what you can control. No point stressing over something we can't fix. Life's too short.

Speaking of which, I'm counting down the minutes til my flight home so I can join my wife and kids to lay flags at the Idaho State Veterans Cemetery this weekend. If any of you are able, I highly recommend doing this in your town. Gives a whole new perspective on Memorial Day. Cheers!

Fourpaw

There are no pilots selling this TA.

These pay rates reflect a market of unchanged supply and demand. With an ample amount of people lined up for a position paying non-livable wages, nothing will ever change.

I am also a supporter of our hard workers in the back BUT I still ask myself why anyone would ever in their right mind decide to do this job for that pay. For example, more than a decade ago my wife earned $34k working at a popular chain restaurant. Today she cleans 8-10 houses a month and makes the same. She works 1 week a month and still makes more than our FA’s! Supply vs. demand. People in our area are willing to pay stupid money for house keeping.

If you are a follower of Dave Ramsey, he would tell you to find a different job. There are little thousands of jobs available in the 20-30k range. Remember pilot pay over the last decade? People said that flying 50-76 people around for 20k was stupid and stopped showing up for classes. Enough people did this for long enough to drive wages up.

I’m sorry your TA is less than the gold standard, but please realize your bargaining power. The company knows what they can get away with. Until people stop showing up for poverty wages, they will keep paying them.