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Old 07-03-2019, 03:39 PM
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There is no pilot shortage, only short pilots.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:36 PM
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Because you cannot be hired with 200 hrs anymore. The 1500 hr rule created a synthetic shortage, and as Mesabah mentioned - the rates are still lower than they were.
Repeat after me - there is NO pilot shortage. There is now and will always be more pilots than DESIRABLE jobs.
Was AA hiring 900/yr in 2004?
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Old 07-03-2019, 06:09 PM
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Was AA hiring 900/yr in 2004?
No, but they were averaging that per year in 1999 - 2001.

https://fapa.aero/hiringhistory.asp
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Old 07-03-2019, 09:53 PM
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No, but they were averaging that per year in 1999 - 2001.

https://fapa.aero/hiringhistory.asp
OK, not sure that's super relevant, considering they didn't hire a single pilot for a decade between 2002-2012.
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Old 07-04-2019, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield View Post
OK, not sure that's super relevant, considering they didn't hire a single pilot for a decade between 2002-2012.
So what black swan event(s) took place? It’s almost like it’s referred to as the list decade...
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Old 07-04-2019, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Meow1215 View Post
Because you cannot be hired with 200 hrs anymore. The 1500 hr rule created a synthetic shortage, and as Mesabah mentioned - the rates are still lower than they were.
Repeat after me - there is NO pilot shortage. There is now and will always be more pilots than DESIRABLE jobs.
THERE IS A PILOT SHORTAGE.....repeat after me
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Old 07-04-2019, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumyum View Post
THERE IS A PILOT SHORTAGE.....repeat after me
No, there is not a pilot shortage.
https://www.faa.gov/data_research/aviation_data_statistics/civil_airmen_statistics/
That data goes all the way back to 2004, go count the amount of commercials and ATPs year over year.
Then add up how many jobs there are roughly in the 121 world, maybe even some cargo. You can take it step further by figuring out how many desirable jobs there are. It doesn’t add up to a shortage.
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Old 07-05-2019, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Meow1215 View Post
No, there is not a pilot shortage.
https://www.faa.gov/data_research/aviation_data_statistics/civil_airmen_statistics/
That data goes all the way back to 2004, go count the amount of commercials and ATPs year over year.
Then add up how many jobs there are roughly in the 121 world, maybe even some cargo. You can take it step further by figuring out how many desirable jobs there are. It doesn’t add up to a shortage.
It’s a PAY shortage. Plenty of qualified people. Just not plenty of qualified people who will work for certain pay scales.
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Old 07-05-2019, 02:45 PM
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It’s a PAY shortage. Plenty of qualified people. Just not plenty of qualified people who will work for certain pay scales.
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Old 07-05-2019, 03:38 PM
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Yeah, as soon as we got the bonus, the classes were full again.
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