Pros/cons
07-11-2019, 06:25 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
I don't know that we've officially arrived at "joke" status for the dgi.
Current success rate among those hired after 2015 is 52% with the remaining 48% still yet to get their second attempt. If only HALF of them get through on the second attempt we would theoretically be at a 75% success rate. Which would be monumentally higher than the off the street hiring.
Even the current 52% is on par with the it's hiring percentage. Not to mention the argument we've already been over, than among the dgi group there are probably at least a few that would have never had been extended the interview offer if they applied ots anyway.
Endeavor is still the only way to GUARANTEE that you get an interview at Delta. I don't think that's a joke.
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Current success rate among those hired after 2015 is 52% with the remaining 48% still yet to get their second attempt. If only HALF of them get through on the second attempt we would theoretically be at a 75% success rate. Which would be monumentally higher than the off the street hiring.
Even the current 52% is on par with the it's hiring percentage. Not to mention the argument we've already been over, than among the dgi group there are probably at least a few that would have never had been extended the interview offer if they applied ots anyway.
Endeavor is still the only way to GUARANTEE that you get an interview at Delta. I don't think that's a joke.
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07-11-2019, 07:05 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by SomeAv8tor
What’s your point? One for sure did.
The poor guy probably thought he was for sure going to Delta working in management there.
07-11-2019, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJJ
Hi guys. It's been a long time since I follow EDV threads and I saw new classes are being planned.
What are the pros/cons of getting hired right now?. I know it's been a slow year, but I hear some growth might be coming your way, hence the classes?.
Hopefully we get a couple of honest serious answers before sarcasm invade us
What are the pros/cons of getting hired right now?. I know it's been a slow year, but I hear some growth might be coming your way, hence the classes?.
Hopefully we get a couple of honest serious answers before sarcasm invade us
- Industry Leading Pay (No second year pay cut)
- Good training
- Decent work rules, even on reserve
- Good company to work for, all things considered
- If the growth does happen, you'll be in before the next wave of growth, which is always good
Cons:
- The CEO has been pretty sketchy on the details of the growth
- Our bases suck. You'll probably be stuck in NYC, which is co-domicile, which stinks for reserves, as transportation is expensive
- All of the growth is hinged around getting worn out **** boxes from airlines that didn't take care of them
Our reserve rules definitely aren't industry leading, but they aren't bad. I generally got the days off I wanted, and CS will let you drop reserve to pickup stuff out of OT, and they aren't contractually required to do that. My biggest complaints are that we don't have a duty rig, which leads to some long sits in outstations, and when IROPs happen, they treat lineholders like reserves. They are pretty minor complaints though.
07-12-2019, 04:21 AM
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My two cents:
Pros (Beyond technical stuff)
* Unmatched commuter policy - positive space on second flight if first attempt doesn't work. Coming from Idaho, I have enjoyed this benefit a couple of times.
* Accessible, accommodating local leadership - chief in JFK is one of the most down to earth guys I've ever worked with. Company chief, the man with the 'stache, will do anything for a pilot in a pinch. Anyone who's had a family emergency can attest.
* Fun, family-like culture. For the most part, we've got each others backs.
* Most responsive, reliable TechOps team in the regional industry. MEL rates are at historical lows on most of our fleet, seldom do I get a broke airplane. The morning meet-n-greets with mechanics is an awesome touch...I've met some really cool AMTs who really love what they do.
* Company feeds us often - it seems like every other week, we're getting BBQ, pizza, cookies, hot dogs. Lots of appreciation to go around.
Cons (beyond technical stuff)
* DGI/SSP has hurt morale a bit, especially those who worked hard to build up credentials only to come up short during Delta interview.
* Sense of entitlement from some employees who feel that just cause they work for a WO of DL, they're deserving of certain things (profit sharing, "flow").
* Bit of a training log jam, as mentioned above. With this anticipated growth, I believe this will self-correct.
Overall, I don't think you'll find a more professional regional experience than here at 9E. Get in now if you can, because from what I hear, there's 500+ pilot slots waiting to be filled...don't be on the back end of that hiring train.
Good luck and hope to see you in my flight deck soon!
Pros (Beyond technical stuff)
* Unmatched commuter policy - positive space on second flight if first attempt doesn't work. Coming from Idaho, I have enjoyed this benefit a couple of times.
* Accessible, accommodating local leadership - chief in JFK is one of the most down to earth guys I've ever worked with. Company chief, the man with the 'stache, will do anything for a pilot in a pinch. Anyone who's had a family emergency can attest.
* Fun, family-like culture. For the most part, we've got each others backs.
* Most responsive, reliable TechOps team in the regional industry. MEL rates are at historical lows on most of our fleet, seldom do I get a broke airplane. The morning meet-n-greets with mechanics is an awesome touch...I've met some really cool AMTs who really love what they do.
* Company feeds us often - it seems like every other week, we're getting BBQ, pizza, cookies, hot dogs. Lots of appreciation to go around.
Cons (beyond technical stuff)
* DGI/SSP has hurt morale a bit, especially those who worked hard to build up credentials only to come up short during Delta interview.
* Sense of entitlement from some employees who feel that just cause they work for a WO of DL, they're deserving of certain things (profit sharing, "flow").
* Bit of a training log jam, as mentioned above. With this anticipated growth, I believe this will self-correct.
Overall, I don't think you'll find a more professional regional experience than here at 9E. Get in now if you can, because from what I hear, there's 500+ pilot slots waiting to be filled...don't be on the back end of that hiring train.
Good luck and hope to see you in my flight deck soon!
07-12-2019, 06:06 AM
#16
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Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason
My two cents:
Pros (Beyond technical stuff)
* Unmatched commuter policy - positive space on second flight if first attempt doesn't work. Coming from Idaho, I have enjoyed this benefit a couple of times.
* Accessible, accommodating local leadership - chief in JFK is one of the most down to earth guys I've ever worked with. Company chief, the man with the 'stache, will do anything for a pilot in a pinch. Anyone who's had a family emergency can attest.
* Fun, family-like culture. For the most part, we've got each others backs.
* Most responsive, reliable TechOps team in the regional industry. MEL rates are at historical lows on most of our fleet, seldom do I get a broke airplane. The morning meet-n-greets with mechanics is an awesome touch...I've met some really cool AMTs who really love what they do.
* Company feeds us often - it seems like every other week, we're getting BBQ, pizza, cookies, hot dogs. Lots of appreciation to go around.
Cons (beyond technical stuff)
* DGI/SSP has hurt morale a bit, especially those who worked hard to build up credentials only to come up short during Delta interview.
* Sense of entitlement from some employees who feel that just cause they work for a WO of DL, they're deserving of certain things (profit sharing, "flow").
* Bit of a training log jam, as mentioned above. With this anticipated growth, I believe this will self-correct.
Overall, I don't think you'll find a more professional regional experience than here at 9E. Get in now if you can, because from what I hear, there's 500+ pilot slots waiting to be filled...don't be on the back end of that hiring train.
Good luck and hope to see you in my flight deck soon!
Pros (Beyond technical stuff)
* Unmatched commuter policy - positive space on second flight if first attempt doesn't work. Coming from Idaho, I have enjoyed this benefit a couple of times.
* Accessible, accommodating local leadership - chief in JFK is one of the most down to earth guys I've ever worked with. Company chief, the man with the 'stache, will do anything for a pilot in a pinch. Anyone who's had a family emergency can attest.
* Fun, family-like culture. For the most part, we've got each others backs.
* Most responsive, reliable TechOps team in the regional industry. MEL rates are at historical lows on most of our fleet, seldom do I get a broke airplane. The morning meet-n-greets with mechanics is an awesome touch...I've met some really cool AMTs who really love what they do.
* Company feeds us often - it seems like every other week, we're getting BBQ, pizza, cookies, hot dogs. Lots of appreciation to go around.
Cons (beyond technical stuff)
* DGI/SSP has hurt morale a bit, especially those who worked hard to build up credentials only to come up short during Delta interview.
* Sense of entitlement from some employees who feel that just cause they work for a WO of DL, they're deserving of certain things (profit sharing, "flow").
* Bit of a training log jam, as mentioned above. With this anticipated growth, I believe this will self-correct.
Overall, I don't think you'll find a more professional regional experience than here at 9E. Get in now if you can, because from what I hear, there's 500+ pilot slots waiting to be filled...don't be on the back end of that hiring train.
Good luck and hope to see you in my flight deck soon!
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07-12-2019, 06:13 AM
#17
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Posts: 121
Originally Posted by Casualinterest
I don't know that we've officially arrived at "joke" status for the dgi.
Current success rate among those hired after 2015 is 52% with the remaining 48% still yet to get their second attempt. If only HALF of them get through on the second attempt we would theoretically be at a 75% success rate. Which would be monumentally higher than the off the street hiring.
Even the current 52% is on par with the it's hiring percentage. Not to mention the argument we've already been over, than among the dgi group there are probably at least a few that would have never had been extended the interview offer if they applied ots anyway.
Endeavor is still the only way to GUARANTEE that you get an interview at Delta. I don't think that's a joke.
Now that that's done with, I think anybody who comes in right now is going to be in a good spot. Shorter reserve times and good growth. I don't think getting stuck in NYC is a foregone conclusion. Since the good money is on the new planes going to ATL and DTW, I think it's fair to say most bases will be attainable for new hires inside of 6 months. Though I'll admit thats just a guess based on what happened last time we added planes.
The reserve rules here aren't great, but I've seen the reserve rules at a few other regionals and ours are no worse than theirs. Republic is the only one that notably has better reserve rules, and that's just because they don't have RR. Which btw after a couple months you'll probably never sit RR again as long as we're holding classes and filling behind you.
We can argue semantics all day, but everyone thinks the grass is greener somewhere else when they're in the weeds. Those who were hired a year ago (maybe 18 months ago) have had a rough go when the growth didn't happen. There's no doubt about it. 6-8 months of reserve with 20 hours of flying a month is painful. I know. I did it as a captain when I upgraded last year. It sucks. But improvements are on the horizon.
Other Cons? Our contract isn't amenable for quite a while, do don't expect much to change quickly. Our Union is really good at securing incremental gains though LOA's, but we're not going to see huge gains any time soon.
This is probably going to be a very good time to come on, but as always, your mileage may vary. I know this though. 4 classes a month with 10-15 per month is starting very soon. With 40-60 a month coming on starting next month people are going to start moving up.
Expect an announcement in August and new planes starting September. I've got 5 on it
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Current success rate among those hired after 2015 is 52% with the remaining 48% still yet to get their second attempt. If only HALF of them get through on the second attempt we would theoretically be at a 75% success rate. Which would be monumentally higher than the off the street hiring.
Even the current 52% is on par with the it's hiring percentage. Not to mention the argument we've already been over, than among the dgi group there are probably at least a few that would have never had been extended the interview offer if they applied ots anyway.
Endeavor is still the only way to GUARANTEE that you get an interview at Delta. I don't think that's a joke.
Now that that's done with, I think anybody who comes in right now is going to be in a good spot. Shorter reserve times and good growth. I don't think getting stuck in NYC is a foregone conclusion. Since the good money is on the new planes going to ATL and DTW, I think it's fair to say most bases will be attainable for new hires inside of 6 months. Though I'll admit thats just a guess based on what happened last time we added planes.
The reserve rules here aren't great, but I've seen the reserve rules at a few other regionals and ours are no worse than theirs. Republic is the only one that notably has better reserve rules, and that's just because they don't have RR. Which btw after a couple months you'll probably never sit RR again as long as we're holding classes and filling behind you.
We can argue semantics all day, but everyone thinks the grass is greener somewhere else when they're in the weeds. Those who were hired a year ago (maybe 18 months ago) have had a rough go when the growth didn't happen. There's no doubt about it. 6-8 months of reserve with 20 hours of flying a month is painful. I know. I did it as a captain when I upgraded last year. It sucks. But improvements are on the horizon.
Other Cons? Our contract isn't amenable for quite a while, do don't expect much to change quickly. Our Union is really good at securing incremental gains though LOA's, but we're not going to see huge gains any time soon.
This is probably going to be a very good time to come on, but as always, your mileage may vary. I know this though. 4 classes a month with 10-15 per month is starting very soon. With 40-60 a month coming on starting next month people are going to start moving up.
Expect an announcement in August and new planes starting September. I've got 5 on it
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As for the thought of someone building up the resume and checking all the boxes if you get to the interview and you don’t interview well then it doesn’t matter what you put on your resume. I’m not saying that is what happened but there are a wide range of reason as to why people don’t get hired you just have to play the cards you are given. I know of guys in the industry that have been trying to get an interview with the majors for years and just can’t get the shot so if the program has decent success and gets you in front of delta then that’s something.
07-12-2019, 06:34 AM
#18
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
I don't know that we've officially arrived at "joke" status for the dgi.
Current success rate among those hired after 2015 is 52% with the remaining 48% still yet to get their second attempt. If only HALF of them get through on the second attempt we would theoretically be at a 75% success rate. Which would be monumentally higher than the off the street hiring.
Even the current 52% is on par with the it's hiring percentage. Not to mention the argument we've already been over, than among the dgi group there are probably at least a few that would have never had been extended the interview offer if they applied ots anyway.
Endeavor is still the only way to GUARANTEE that you get an interview at Delta. I don't think that's a joke.
Now that that's done with, I think anybody who comes in right now is going to be in a good spot. Shorter reserve times and good growth. I don't think getting stuck in NYC is a foregone conclusion. Since the good money is on the new planes going to ATL and DTW, I think it's fair to say most bases will be attainable for new hires inside of 6 months. Though I'll admit thats just a guess based on what happened last time we added planes.
The reserve rules here aren't great, but I've seen the reserve rules at a few other regionals and ours are no worse than theirs. Republic is the only one that notably has better reserve rules, and that's just because they don't have RR. Which btw after a couple months you'll probably never sit RR again as long as we're holding classes and filling behind you.
We can argue semantics all day, but everyone thinks the grass is greener somewhere else when they're in the weeds. Those who were hired a year ago (maybe 18 months ago) have had a rough go when the growth didn't happen. There's no doubt about it. 6-8 months of reserve with 20 hours of flying a month is painful. I know. I did it as a captain when I upgraded last year. It sucks. But improvements are on the horizon.
Other Cons? Our contract isn't amenable for quite a while, do don't expect much to change quickly. Our Union is really good at securing incremental gains though LOA's, but we're not going to see huge gains any time soon.
This is probably going to be a very good time to come on, but as always, your mileage may vary. I know this though. 4 classes a month with 10-15 per month is starting very soon. With 40-60 a month coming on starting next month people are going to start moving up.
Expect an announcement in August and new planes starting September. I've got 5 on it
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Current success rate among those hired after 2015 is 52% with the remaining 48% still yet to get their second attempt. If only HALF of them get through on the second attempt we would theoretically be at a 75% success rate. Which would be monumentally higher than the off the street hiring.
Even the current 52% is on par with the it's hiring percentage. Not to mention the argument we've already been over, than among the dgi group there are probably at least a few that would have never had been extended the interview offer if they applied ots anyway.
Endeavor is still the only way to GUARANTEE that you get an interview at Delta. I don't think that's a joke.
Now that that's done with, I think anybody who comes in right now is going to be in a good spot. Shorter reserve times and good growth. I don't think getting stuck in NYC is a foregone conclusion. Since the good money is on the new planes going to ATL and DTW, I think it's fair to say most bases will be attainable for new hires inside of 6 months. Though I'll admit thats just a guess based on what happened last time we added planes.
The reserve rules here aren't great, but I've seen the reserve rules at a few other regionals and ours are no worse than theirs. Republic is the only one that notably has better reserve rules, and that's just because they don't have RR. Which btw after a couple months you'll probably never sit RR again as long as we're holding classes and filling behind you.
We can argue semantics all day, but everyone thinks the grass is greener somewhere else when they're in the weeds. Those who were hired a year ago (maybe 18 months ago) have had a rough go when the growth didn't happen. There's no doubt about it. 6-8 months of reserve with 20 hours of flying a month is painful. I know. I did it as a captain when I upgraded last year. It sucks. But improvements are on the horizon.
Other Cons? Our contract isn't amenable for quite a while, do don't expect much to change quickly. Our Union is really good at securing incremental gains though LOA's, but we're not going to see huge gains any time soon.
This is probably going to be a very good time to come on, but as always, your mileage may vary. I know this though. 4 classes a month with 10-15 per month is starting very soon. With 40-60 a month coming on starting next month people are going to start moving up.
Expect an announcement in August and new planes starting September. I've got 5 on it
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07-12-2019, 06:48 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by Yumyum
40-60 per month? That’s hard to believe. We might be losing 40-60 per month at this rate.
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