Pros/cons
 

Hi guys. It's been a long time since I follow EDV threads and I saw new classes are being planned.
What are the pros/cons of getting hired right now?. I know it's been a slow year, but I hear some growth might be coming your way, hence the classes?.
Hopefully we get a couple of honest serious answers before sarcasm invade us :)

The pro is you work for 9E. The con is you don’t work for DL.
I wanted to get a sarcastic answer in before seriousness invades us.

Pros: we are expecting growth. Upper management has been talking about it openly quite a bit lately. My guess is expect a formal announcement by the end of August. Good first year pay fo first officers, decent travel benefits. Good crews, stable future (as of today). You can “try” and succeed with the DGI. Decent commuter clause, alternate deadhead home at the end of trios if it ends with a deadhead.
Cons: bad reserve rules, mediocre health benefits, you’re gonna get New York our of training. The DGI is a joke, mediocre hotels on overnights,the flight attendants run the show for choosing them, but they’re getting better. Time in reserve is a little lengthy but I believe still under a year. This time last year we had a training slow down, when it was sped back up it caused a lot of clogs in the training pipeline. We added a new sim in Msp so hopefully this helps. Also they were using a training schedule. that I think they gave up on because it was bad.

Overall I’m pretty happy here.

The pro and con is that you’ll spend a lot more time in NYC than you’ve ever wanted to.

Optimistically you’d be getting in before 400 other “growth” pilots, pessimistically no growth and you’re stuck at the bottom of a slow moving seniority list.

I don't know that we've officially arrived at "joke" status for the dgi.

Current success rate among those hired after 2015 is 52% with the remaining 48% still yet to get their second attempt. If only HALF of them get through on the second attempt we would theoretically be at a 75% success rate. Which would be monumentally higher than the off the street hiring.

Even the current 52% is on par with the it's hiring percentage. Not to mention the argument we've already been over, than among the dgi group there are probably at least a few that would have never had been extended the interview offer if they applied ots anyway.

Endeavor is still the only way to GUARANTEE that you get an interview at Delta. I don't think that's a joke.



Now that that's done with, I think anybody who comes in right now is going to be in a good spot. Shorter reserve times and good growth. I don't think getting stuck in NYC is a foregone conclusion. Since the good money is on the new planes going to ATL and DTW, I think it's fair to say most bases will be attainable for new hires inside of 6 months. Though I'll admit thats just a guess based on what happened last time we added planes.

The reserve rules here aren't great, but I've seen the reserve rules at a few other regionals and ours are no worse than theirs. Republic is the only one that notably has better reserve rules, and that's just because they don't have RR. Which btw after a couple months you'll probably never sit RR again as long as we're holding classes and filling behind you.

We can argue semantics all day, but everyone thinks the grass is greener somewhere else when they're in the weeds. Those who were hired a year ago (maybe 18 months ago) have had a rough go when the growth didn't happen. There's no doubt about it. 6-8 months of reserve with 20 hours of flying a month is painful. I know. I did it as a captain when I upgraded last year. It sucks. But improvements are on the horizon.

Other Cons? Our contract isn't amenable for quite a while, do don't expect much to change quickly. Our Union is really good at securing incremental gains though LOA's, but we're not going to see huge gains any time soon.

This is probably going to be a very good time to come on, but as always, your mileage may vary. I know this though. 4 classes a month with 10-15 per month is starting very soon. With 40-60 a month coming on starting next month people are going to start moving up.

Expect an announcement in August and new planes starting September. I've got 5 on it [emoji6]

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Great song :cool:

I figured this last vacancy would have shown some openings for growth considering the timing for the 'delivery' of the airframes. Have we ever had a vacancy iut of order for growth?

Conformity checks take a bit. I would guess November

I think msprj is right. My guess is we're fully staffed for the first few planes and this vacancy reflects that. Hopefully we'll see some more beefy vacancies in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

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That would time well with the "every 2 months" vacancies so far. 19-04 should go into effect in September, right around the time 19-05 is announced with an effective date in November.