Propel Pilots are Better Than You
09-20-2019, 07:05 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
For them to get that “respect,” it will take 5-6 more years. Not worth a free hand out when they can cash in their experience and professionalism much sooner than that.
And I’d say you’re drinking the flow kool-aid. It’s not about respect. It’s only meant to be a cheaper way of hiring, not convey a sense of respect from mainline AA. It’s also why you make less as it has an actual cost to you before you step foot on AA’s property.
If AA respected you, there would not be 3 wholly-owned Eagle carriers. There should only be one, in actuality. But, it’s much easier to whipsaw when you have more than one.
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And I’d say you’re drinking the flow kool-aid. It’s not about respect. It’s only meant to be a cheaper way of hiring, not convey a sense of respect from mainline AA. It’s also why you make less as it has an actual cost to you before you step foot on AA’s property.
If AA respected you, there would not be 3 wholly-owned Eagle carriers. There should only be one, in actuality. But, it’s much easier to whipsaw when you have more than one.
GP
Glad to see Mesa is losing airplanes, since all AA is worried about is less than actual cost! oh wait..
09-21-2019, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Delta has moved far more pilots from Endeavor to the mainline than either PSA or Envoy by a big margin. Do results matter?
You have numbers?
09-21-2019, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
You have numbers?
My guess would be, due to DGI numbers being so weak, that AA flow has to be making up serious ground. It will continue to, as American is committed to their regionals and delta is gonna take about 50 percent of two thousand pilot.
09-21-2019, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Delta has moved far more pilots from Endeavor to the mainline than either PSA or Envoy by a big margin. Do results matter?
09-21-2019, 07:17 AM
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Delta does not care about us. They care about what they can get from us. The only reason they give us anything is the market dictates it. No matter how omnipotent the arrogant overlords in ATL think they are, the market trumps them every time. I fully support our mec's efforts and will happily wear the lanyard. However, until ALPA becomes a real union, with mainline working in unity with their regional "brothers/sisters", I'm not optimistic that we have any clout.
Or, if the market forces Delta, they'll come out with something. They'll brand it as their idea to save face, but we'll know better.
Or, if the market forces Delta, they'll come out with something. They'll brand it as their idea to save face, but we'll know better.
09-21-2019, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
For them to get that “respect,” it will take 5-6 more years. Not worth a free hand out when they can cash in their experience and professionalism much sooner than that.
And I’d say you’re drinking the flow kool-aid. It’s not about respect. It’s only meant to be a cheaper way of hiring, not convey a sense of respect from mainline AA. It’s also why you make less as it has an actual cost to you before you step foot on AA’s property.
If AA respected you, there would not be 3 wholly-owned Eagle carriers. There should only be one, in actuality. But, it’s much easier to whipsaw when you have more than one.
GP
And I’d say you’re drinking the flow kool-aid. It’s not about respect. It’s only meant to be a cheaper way of hiring, not convey a sense of respect from mainline AA. It’s also why you make less as it has an actual cost to you before you step foot on AA’s property.
If AA respected you, there would not be 3 wholly-owned Eagle carriers. There should only be one, in actuality. But, it’s much easier to whipsaw when you have more than one.
GP
09-21-2019, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
Delta does not care about us.
09-21-2019, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by gojo
Only having one wholly owned regional doesn’t prevent whipsawing. Delta proves that just fine. In fact Delta’s wholly owned Endeavor Airlines is much more at risk than any of the 3 American wholly owned regionals. Some of those CPA’s Delta signs with Skywest and Republic go out 12 years. Delta can just shift flying from Endeavor to satisfy those contracts if necessary. So call it kool aid drinking if you want, but remember that goes both ways. From the outside looking in it looks like American Airlines is saying, if you fly our passengers at the regional level, you’re good enough to fly them at mainline. Delta, not so much.
I wasn’t talking about just one regional for an entire legacy. I was talking about having more than one WO upon which you can whipsaw and use flow as the whip.
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09-21-2019, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
I wasn’t talking about just one regional for an entire legacy. I was talking about having more than one WO upon which you can whipsaw and use flow as the whip.
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09-21-2019, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Talkturkey2
It's just that Propel guys are better than you.
How are they better than anyone?
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