New-hires Beware!
11-09-2019, 10:05 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Want to really blow some new hire minds? Try explaining the Bloch award to them...
11-09-2019, 10:14 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by StandardBrief
I hate the Boomer sentiment that millenials are the problem. It's your own fault for agreeing to work under the conditions of a job that paid that little money. It's the millenials who decided that investing $100,000 with little to no return on investment that caused the current labor shortage along with the associated rise in wages. I bet you're also upset that these youngsters never had to navigate via the stars as well. Just because you had to suffer doesn't mean that everyone after you has too.
11-09-2019, 10:19 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by blindfayth
As a Gen Xer, I'm just enjoying the show.
/popcorn
I was in a position to begin flight training to pursue the aviation field when I left the military back in 2004. However, I took a hard look at the economics of the situation and said f that, so I did other things for a decade instead.
Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbsBNPddn4o
/popcorn
I was in a position to begin flight training to pursue the aviation field when I left the military back in 2004. However, I took a hard look at the economics of the situation and said f that, so I did other things for a decade instead.
Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbsBNPddn4o
11-09-2019, 10:28 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by overqualified52
The bottom line is that the pilots of today have nowhere near the experience and skill, especially propel, to be going to mainline over skilled pilots that have been around and paid dues . People need to get in line and pay dues and stop short cutting and the so called hiring folks need to hire most experienced first and work their way down .
Have you flown with a Propel pilot?
11-09-2019, 01:30 PM
#25
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Posts: 99
Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Want to really blow some new hire minds? Try explaining the Bloch award to them...
Most new guys and I was this way when I first started don't really know the past. We all said sweet I've got it made I'm an airline pilot!!!
Look back to mid 90s when guys were flying blank checks around to get hours. Guys getting hired back then had over 5000 hours.
11-09-2019, 04:10 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by overqualified52
Better off working your way up at Burger King . Majors don’t hire based on skill , knowledge and paying ones dues , that’s for sure .
11-10-2019, 04:50 AM
#27
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Originally Posted by BleedsClosed
Over the last 3 classes the company has been awarding new hire FOs 900 during Indoc through Gen Subs. After you begin 900 Systems, you will be notified that after completing 900 LOE, you will immediately be sent 200 differences. This means you have additional tests, additional jeopardy events, a 18 month seatlock on the 200, and your learning all these system backwards.
Naturally none of this told to you during your interview or indoctrination. You will find out after you have been on property for over 2 weeks meaning there is potential ramifications if you resign and go to another airline. It will look like you failed out of training.
I regret coming here already.
Naturally none of this told to you during your interview or indoctrination. You will find out after you have been on property for over 2 weeks meaning there is potential ramifications if you resign and go to another airline. It will look like you failed out of training.
I regret coming here already.
The airlines are not Google where you bring your pet to work (emotional support), there are very well defined lines based on seniority and the contract, so even Neil Armstrong would have to single file and start from the bottom. Every airline is like this.
The industry was a different world just 5 years ago, maybe all these over priced schools need to start teaching some recent history so young pilots realize this is a good time to be a pilot.
Good luck.
11-10-2019, 10:44 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by los74
When you become a pilot your world is full of jeopardy events for the rest of your career, just study and be prepared. What you are going through is called “WORK” and you have to deal with it since you became a grown up and no longer can you hold the kid card. You have plenty of choices. Mesa is about to fly 737s, or maybe a 135 operator is the right fit, so the grass is always greener across the fence. If you regret (big word) coming here, EDV is not holding you hostage so just get out before depression takes over and be happy.
The airlines are not Google where you bring your pet to work (emotional support), there are very well defined lines based on seniority and the contract, so even Neil Armstrong would have to single file and start from the bottom. Every airline is like this.
The industry was a different world just 5 years ago, maybe all these over priced schools need to start teaching some recent history so young pilots realize this is a good time to be a pilot.
Good luck.
The airlines are not Google where you bring your pet to work (emotional support), there are very well defined lines based on seniority and the contract, so even Neil Armstrong would have to single file and start from the bottom. Every airline is like this.
The industry was a different world just 5 years ago, maybe all these over priced schools need to start teaching some recent history so young pilots realize this is a good time to be a pilot.
Good luck.
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Just because someone has it better does not mean you have it bad
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11-10-2019, 11:48 AM
#29
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Joined APC: Mar 2019
Posts: 1,181
Originally Posted by los74
When you become a pilot your world is full of jeopardy events for the rest of your career, just study and be prepared. What you are going through is called “WORK” and you have to deal with it since you became a grown up and no longer can you hold the kid card. You have plenty of choices. Mesa is about to fly 737s, or maybe a 135 operator is the right fit, so the grass is always greener across the fence. If you regret (big word) coming here, EDV is not holding you hostage so just get out before depression takes over and be happy.
The airlines are not Google where you bring your pet to work (emotional support), there are very well defined lines based on seniority and the contract, so even Neil Armstrong would have to single file and start from the bottom. Every airline is like this.
The industry was a different world just 5 years ago, maybe all these over priced schools need to start teaching some recent history so young pilots realize this is a good time to be a pilot.
Good luck.
The airlines are not Google where you bring your pet to work (emotional support), there are very well defined lines based on seniority and the contract, so even Neil Armstrong would have to single file and start from the bottom. Every airline is like this.
The industry was a different world just 5 years ago, maybe all these over priced schools need to start teaching some recent history so young pilots realize this is a good time to be a pilot.
Good luck.
I can’t think of too many pilots on property who would be thrilled about the prospect of extra jeopardy events that are completely unnecessary. I also can’t think of too many pilots who would relish the idea of learning one fleet to then immediately go learn a new one.
As one the guys who can still hold MSP lines on the CAs side it’s fair to say I’ve been here a while. This isn’t the worst thing that can happen to a new hire, but in this hiring climate, it is still BS. I’ll go a step further and say it’s BS to do it to any pilot on the seniority list.
To the OP: 9E is not a terrible airline to work for, but you will be met with the with occasional “slight of hand”. It just usually doesn’t happen this early in the game. It’s worth mentioning this happens at other airlines too. Good luck on your training or other career Endeavors.
11-10-2019, 12:11 PM
#30
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Originally Posted by StandardBrief
I hate the Boomer sentiment that millenials are the problem. It's your own fault for agreeing to work under the conditions of a job that paid that little money. It's the millenials who decided that investing $100,000 with little to no return on investment that caused the current labor shortage along with the associated rise in wages. I bet you're also upset that these youngsters never had to navigate via the stars as well. Just because you had to suffer doesn't mean that everyone after you has too.
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