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04-08-2020, 12:39 PM
#12
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Benefit protections?
I am hearing they are considering suspending matching contributions to 401k? Will that include all those that take TVLOA? What about TOWOP? Didn't they just say benefits would continue for those? Will they give us enough notice for us to suspend contributions too?
04-08-2020, 01:11 PM
#13
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
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Originally Posted by preflight
Would anyone agree the method being put in place is to get a whole bunch of people off the schedule (TOWOP, TVLOA, hints at furlough) and then work the crap out of whomever remains?
Why can't we keep more people, reduce the flying, allow more drops and a good quality of life? Why do we have to squeeze the crap out of everything instead of spreading the pain around? I thought the whole point of the government relief legislation was to keep as many people on payroll as possible...
As an example: Why can't we bid each day a week in front of the flying we get and limit the maximum each gets so everyone stays current and gets a minimum? While seniority can be cited and contractual language exists for furloughs and such, it seems like the costs for ramping up retraining and re-qualifications is written for long term trends in our economy. In a short term recovery, we will be stuck with pilots we cannot get back on line fast enough to meet new demand. By keeping our group current and allowing less flying at the top while not shedding all the bottom we'll emerge in a year as a better example of cool heads during the storm.
It just seems like this is a chance to make things better for the pilot group and we have dived right back into the same old responses that have been crappy for all because "That's the way we've always done it..."
Why can't we keep more people, reduce the flying, allow more drops and a good quality of life? Why do we have to squeeze the crap out of everything instead of spreading the pain around? I thought the whole point of the government relief legislation was to keep as many people on payroll as possible...
As an example: Why can't we bid each day a week in front of the flying we get and limit the maximum each gets so everyone stays current and gets a minimum? While seniority can be cited and contractual language exists for furloughs and such, it seems like the costs for ramping up retraining and re-qualifications is written for long term trends in our economy. In a short term recovery, we will be stuck with pilots we cannot get back on line fast enough to meet new demand. By keeping our group current and allowing less flying at the top while not shedding all the bottom we'll emerge in a year as a better example of cool heads during the storm.
It just seems like this is a chance to make things better for the pilot group and we have dived right back into the same old responses that have been crappy for all because "That's the way we've always done it..."
hopefully y’all got sick time....let the sick calls pile up
until this settles down
04-08-2020, 02:05 PM
#14
Porco Rosso
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,522
Originally Posted by preflight
I am hearing they are considering suspending matching contributions to 401k? Will that include all those that take TVLOA? What about TOWOP? Didn't they just say benefits would continue for those? Will they give us enough notice for us to suspend contributions too?
They won't match what you don't pay in during TVLOA. You also don't have to make 401k loan payments during TVLOA.
04-09-2020, 05:25 AM
#16
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 2,767
Originally Posted by preflight
Any thoughts on reduced credit lines?
Or do we prefer coffee at outstations on long sits, min days off and 15-hour-4-day trips...
Or do we prefer coffee at outstations on long sits, min days off and 15-hour-4-day trips...
04-09-2020, 06:04 AM
#17
Porco Rosso
Joined APC: Apr 2018
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Originally Posted by preflight
Any thoughts on reduced credit lines?
Or do we prefer coffee at outstations on long sits, min days off and 15-hour-4-day trips...
Or do we prefer coffee at outstations on long sits, min days off and 15-hour-4-day trips...
We also don't prefer setting an artificial ceiling for bankruptcies. "Look, they survived on 55 hours per month before, so why couldn't they do it again?"
04-09-2020, 06:37 AM
#18
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 213
For those interested, I am on the April TOWOP. I applied for MN unemployment on Tuesday, and it was approved and deposited into my account Wednesday. With the extra $600 per week, an FO on unemployment makes more than s/he would by going to work.
04-09-2020, 07:44 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by preflight
Any thoughts on reduced credit lines?
Or do we prefer coffee at outstations on long sits, min days off and 15-hour-4-day trips...
Or do we prefer coffee at outstations on long sits, min days off and 15-hour-4-day trips...
If they hours they reduce are turned into more days off appropriately. 20 hour reduction is worth five days so for five extra days off I’d entertain the though but anything less then that 15 hour 4 day trips sound fine by me.
04-09-2020, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by NotMe
For those interested, I am on the April TOWOP. I applied for MN unemployment on Tuesday, and it was approved and deposited into my account Wednesday. With the extra $600 per week, an FO on unemployment makes more than s/he would by going to work.
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