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Old 03-31-2020, 05:11 PM
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Would anyone agree the method being put in place is to get a whole bunch of people off the schedule (TOWOP, TVLOA, hints at furlough) and then work the crap out of whomever remains?

Why can't we keep more people, reduce the flying, allow more drops and a good quality of life? Why do we have to squeeze the crap out of everything instead of spreading the pain around? I thought the whole point of the government relief legislation was to keep as many people on payroll as possible...

As an example: Why can't we bid each day a week in front of the flying we get and limit the maximum each gets so everyone stays current and gets a minimum? While seniority can be cited and contractual language exists for furloughs and such, it seems like the costs for ramping up retraining and re-qualifications is written for long term trends in our economy. In a short term recovery, we will be stuck with pilots we cannot get back on line fast enough to meet new demand. By keeping our group current and allowing less flying at the top while not shedding all the bottom we'll emerge in a year as a better example of cool heads during the storm.

It just seems like this is a chance to make things better for the pilot group and we have dived right back into the same old responses that have been crappy for all because "That's the way we've always done it..."
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Old 03-31-2020, 05:34 PM
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It just seems like this is a chance to make things better for the pilot group and we have dived right back into the same old responses that have been crappy for all because "That's the way we've always done it..."
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but no management in the history of airline management has given two turds about what’s best for the pilot group. And why should they? You are a number, a fixed cost. They are running(or trying to) a business. What is better for you may not and usually will not line up with their business strategy. Don’t shoot the messenger.
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It is disappointing that they don't seem to want to budge an inch on QOL issues that cost them nothing.
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It is disappointing that they don't seem to want to budge an inch on QOL issues that cost them nothing.
It’s a negotiation, everything costs something. That’s why we have a 200 and 900 fleet.
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Old 03-31-2020, 08:19 PM
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Would anyone agree the method being put in place is to get a whole bunch of people off the schedule (TOWOP, TVLOA, hints at furlough) and then work the crap out of whomever remains?

Why can't we keep more people, reduce the flying, allow more drops and a good quality of life? Why do we have to squeeze the crap out of everything instead of spreading the pain around? I thought the whole point of the government relief legislation was to keep as many people on payroll as possible...

As an example: Why can't we bid each day a week in front of the flying we get and limit the maximum each gets so everyone stays current and gets a minimum? While seniority can be cited and contractual language exists for furloughs and such, it seems like the costs for ramping up retraining and re-qualifications is written for long term trends in our economy. In a short term recovery, we will be stuck with pilots we cannot get back on line fast enough to meet new demand. By keeping our group current and allowing less flying at the top while not shedding all the bottom we'll emerge in a year as a better example of cool heads during the storm.

It just seems like this is a chance to make things better for the pilot group and we have dived right back into the same old responses that have been crappy for all because "That's the way we've always done it..."

First time?
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Old 04-01-2020, 03:49 AM
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First time?
Sadly, no...

But greed will create some movement in the list.
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Would anyone agree the method being put in place is to get a whole bunch of people off the schedule (TOWOP, TVLOA, hints at furlough) and then work the crap out of whomever remains?

Why can't we keep more people, reduce the flying, allow more drops and a good quality of life? Why do we have to squeeze the crap out of everything instead of spreading the pain around? I thought the whole point of the government relief legislation was to keep as many people on payroll as possible...

As an example: Why can't we bid each day a week in front of the flying we get and limit the maximum each gets so everyone stays current and gets a minimum? While seniority can be cited and contractual language exists for furloughs and such, it seems like the costs for ramping up retraining and re-qualifications is written for long term trends in our economy. In a short term recovery, we will be stuck with pilots we cannot get back on line fast enough to meet new demand. By keeping our group current and allowing less flying at the top while not shedding all the bottom we'll emerge in a year as a better example of cool heads during the storm.

It just seems like this is a chance to make things better for the pilot group and we have dived right back into the same old responses that have been crappy for all because "That's the way we've always done it..."
welcome to the Hotel California ...
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welcome to the Hotel California ...
Ladies and Gentlemen , Thank you for flying Trans Global Airlines .
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Ladies and Gentlemen , Thank you for flying Trans Global Airlines .
Is this a quote from Airport '70?
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First time?
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