View Poll Results: Are you in favor of a flow down?
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05-12-2021 | 06:24 AM
#121
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By incorporating Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk LPPs, McCaskill-Bond establishes that it is the duty of the surviving or combined carrier to provide the fair and equitable seniority list integration process. The carrier can satisfy this duty by accepting a voluntarily negotiated or arbitrated list from the employee group parties. To the extent that the employee group parties do not voluntarily present such a list to the carrier, however, it is the carrier's duty to engage in arbitration with those groups as provided for in Section 13. If the covered transaction involves employee groups represented by the same union, the statute provides that the union's internal merger policies apply exclusively, with no carrier involvement, except as to whether it will accept and implement the result of the integration process (i.e., the combined seniority list). Likewise, any additional LPP or other merger-related requirements in a CBA that are consistent with the "protections afforded by" Sections 3 and 13 are not directly affected by the statute.
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05-12-2021 | 07:58 AM
#123
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not necessarily. A staple at our current rates and longevity with a 5 year fence would mean everyone stays at rates or better, and when the fence is up anyone left would still get a raise to change planes regardless of seat.
I'd take that deal plus 14%dc and healthcare.
I'd take that deal plus 14%dc and healthcare.
05-12-2021 | 08:41 AM
#124
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Well put and part of the reason I’m surprised Compass didn’t survive. Their cost structure compared to Endeavor was significantly lower to operate 76 seat RJs. Just looking at pay rates alone between the two really made me scratch my head as to why they shutdown CPZ. Obviously there’d be no scope issue right now either...
05-12-2021 | 08:45 AM
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And what the hell does that have to do with anything? Does the fact that you served in the military automatically make you somehow better than pilots with tons more actual airline experience? I'd say no.
05-12-2021 | 08:51 AM
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DL could fly those 35 RJ’s at mainline starting today if they wanted to...that’s what the DL mainline pilots (me) would prefer over letting DCI get them back...how’s that for career progression.
DL could start a flow up today as well...they hire who they hire when they want to hire them. I’m al for progression for EDV folks who are flying delta peeps every day...but that’s between you guys and DL Mgmt....us line pilots have zero say.
Flow down agreement tied to less scope....no-friggin way!
DL could start a flow up today as well...they hire who they hire when they want to hire them. I’m al for progression for EDV folks who are flying delta peeps every day...but that’s between you guys and DL Mgmt....us line pilots have zero say.
Flow down agreement tied to less scope....no-friggin way!
05-12-2021 | 09:11 AM
#127
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Not true, PM if you want to know how I know that. I’d be curious why you come this assumption...unless you’re privy to NDA agreements
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05-12-2021 | 09:18 AM
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Or just keep DCI up to max scope and add anything extra they need to Delta if needed. It’s unlikely to think they wouldn’t max out two class scope. If they want two class, E2 to mainline. Not what we want as pilots, but regionals are a cost saver, moving all that to mainline is pointless as long as they can fill classes at the regionals. If covid didn’t hit, well then we’re talking.
05-12-2021 | 09:56 AM
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Or just keep DCI up to max scope and add anything extra they need to Delta if needed. It’s unlikely to think they wouldn’t max out two class scope. If they want two class, E2 to mainline. Not what we want as pilots, but regionals are a cost saver, moving all that to mainline is pointless as long as they can fill classes at the regionals. If covid didn’t hit, well then we’re talking.
05-12-2021 | 10:49 AM
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