Svfr

DALPA does not to agree for this to go into effect. The day Delta and Endeavor sign it it will go into effect, at which point DAPLA will file a grievance saying Delta is in violation of the contract. The agreement will stay in effect until an arbitrator nullifies it or an alternative agreement is reached between Delta and ALPA

Casualinterest

Yea this was something I wasn't 100% sure on. Whether or not they'll bother starting it. Will be interesting to see. Guess we'll find out on the call on the 25th

Casualinterest

I don't NEED anything. And if you read my posts you'll see I'm not 100% sure this thing is gonna happen. And I totally get dalpa's argument. It's not my fault delta tied our existing career progression negotiations to this compass crap. But it was clearly the deal they put on the table. What should the mec here have done? Say no thank you? You're gonna tell me that if the roles were reversed you would say thanks but no thanks? They would've just walked down the street to oo or rah. If you had read our mec's letter it was very respectful of the position dalpa takes on this and takes no sides other than to say it's not a done deal. I know very well about all the existing scope grievances, the SIL nonsense, and the training debacles. What I'm talking about had nothing to do with any of that, and was plain and simple about the deal our guys got handed.


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Varsity

Why would a delta pilot expect endeavor pilots to defend delta scope or jobs? Delta pilots haven't done anything for Endeavor pilots afaik.

Happyflyer

They’ll start it because they want the planes in service. Even if DAL management looses in arbitration they have enough ground to not pay out serious damages for the grievance.

Every day the planes fly the pilots loose, because if they win it’s unlikely they can claw anything back and the planes would just stop flying.

Feels like when a ref throws the offsides flag and the QB sees it and knows he gets a freebie.

dera

This is the magic of RLA. The company interpretation is always correct, unless an arbitrator says otherwise.
And the burden of proof is with the association, and it is a heavy burden. They don't have to prove that they are right, but that the company is wrong.

Me Air Da

If you’re going to be a Delta pilot and not an Endeavor lifer wouldn’t you agree that Scope matters? Seriously how short-sighted is this that you cannot see what you’re saying here?

If your plan is to be a Delta pilot than all this matters. I was a brand new captain at 9E when management said “great news guys we now have priority on standby ahead of Delta retirees!” But it wasn’t great news, because I, like many of you, want to be at and retire from Delta, not Endeavor. Similarly, those who have the goal of being at Delta should realize how bad it is when mainline loses Scope.

I can rant about this all day long, but I want anyone who honestly who believes they have a good shot at going to Delta to realize this. YOU NEED TO STOP THINKING LIKE A REGIONAL PILOT AND THINK LIKE A DELTA PILOT. Sorry for the caps but seriously, my experience from being at 9E for the 4 years I did was that we hired the best of the regional industry and I still believe 9E pilots are a cut above the rest. If you are close to your DGI (2.5 years or less) flow is going to hold you back thousands of seniority numbers at Dal.

CabbiInbound

Most of the pilots at Endeavor will not end up at Delta, so no, they should not be thinking like Delta pilots. They should look to improve their QoL. DALPA is gonna do everything they can to scuttle this LoA and the resulting flow. As they should. But if they succeed, do you expect DALPA to then pivot and campaign for a replacement flow agreement for 9E guys? You and I both know the answer to you that, because it’s not their job to look out for 9E. You’re right the DGI guys will be flocking to everywhere and anywhere but DL at this point. The guys who were told 2 or 3 times “no” will flow to DL while the middle 1/3 of the pilot group goes off to fly for their competitors. Strange times indeed.

KSCessnaDriver

There's way more to life that a number at mainline. Maybe you should realize that...

CantTaxiToACS

“Sorry for the caps but seriously, my experience from being at 9E for the 4 years I did was that we hired the best of the regional industry and I still believe 9E pilots are a cut above the rest.”

I can’t even wrap my head around how hilarious and sad this statement is. You will no doubt become a true Delta pilot asking other airline pilots if they ran the QRH in an emergency. I look forward to hearing about your many future runway incursions and fuel dumps. This is the exact reason why I have ZERO interest in ever putting on a uniform for Delta. Bunch of narcissistic frauds.