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Old 04-29-2022, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by turbinepilot2 View Post
Couple of questions for you guys who know. I currently have a job flying right seat for a Part 135 jet company and life is not too bad, but management is not offering any COL/inflationary pay raises and they refuse to upgrade me for some reason, not sure why, they rarely upgrade anyone. EDV is on my mind again as I live near Atlanta and they base here.

1. Help me estimate my pay. I currently make $70k without per diem- gotta beat that by a fair amount for it to be worthwhile. The APC pay scale page for EDV is $53 per block hour, low, but I am bringing to the table a CRJ type plus 1,500 hours of prior 121 right seat time with an EDV competitor. What are they going to offer for sign on bonuses and prior "qualifying experience" bonuses?

2. If I am junior based in NY or CVG, what am I looking at until getting my desired ATL base (any plane)? 8 months? 10? It's a huge hassle to junior base commute. It appears judging from various posts to be quite a period of time before getting ATL.

3. Any other thoughts you would like to add?

Thanks!
Go to Spirit or Frontier if you want ATL, then apply to Delta from there. Going from Endeavor to Delta is impossible right now unless you are flow or propel
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Old 04-29-2022, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltaCorrectons View Post
1. 52.98 is your starting hourly 75 hour month guarantee so 47,700 roughly assuming you don’t pick anything up and keep in mind we are fat FOs so open time for FOs might be harder to come by. On top of that assuming no prior 121 time 10k training bonus so your around 57,700. Second year you’ll be down below that.

2. ATL and MSP are going to continue to be senior you might get it within a year of starting at EDV but if you ever plan on upgrading you probably won’t get it as EDV has a large population of pilots that live in ATL dreaming of the Peachtree life.

3. My opinion in all honesty the company at EDV treats us fairly well up until recently when daddy d decided that the Gold Standard regional pilots (so they say) needed to be put in the penalty box and no longer hired at mainline outside of the flow and more then likely that trend will continue assuming the current FO pool is smart gets their time to be attractive to LCC’s and tries to go in the back door at DL which has worked for a large number of former EDV FOs. My advice would be throw an app in at any LCC probably all of them get an Airbus type and then try to get DL if you still want it. Spirit and Frontier I do believe have or are opening ATL bases and if the music stops it’s better to be at either one then Endeavor. Biggest issue with EDV right now beside pilots being locked in the closet by daddy D like the red headed step children that we are is that if a downturn occurs and Delta pilots are furloughed they flowback into EDV pilot positions and push out as many pilots as needed to make room for the furloughed mainline pilots. Flow has consequences as it should benefit the DL pilots as well as the EDV even though DL pilots didn’t want it at all and a decent number of EDV pilots would have rather not either.
#3. Many said this. Flow would have both positive and negative repercussions. There was no way a straight no holds barred flow would allow OTS hiring to remain unimpeded. I remember a year ago folks were claiming it could be alongside DGI. Lifers wanted their gimme and felt fine that the next generation could wait because they had to. EDV pilots wanted flow and got it, warts and all. It was openly discussed that if you were motivated, prepared to interview, etc flow could be more of a hindrance.
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Old 04-29-2022, 12:29 PM
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#3. Many said this. Flow would have both positive and negative repercussions. There was no way a straight no holds barred flow would allow OTS hiring to remain unimpeded. I remember a year ago folks were claiming it could be alongside DGI. Lifers wanted their gimme and felt fine that the next generation could wait because they had to. EDV pilots wanted flow and got it, warts and all. It was openly discussed that if you were motivated, prepared to interview, etc flow could be more of a hindrance.
Except that management did all of that, not the pilots.
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Old 04-29-2022, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases View Post
#3. Many said this. Flow would have both positive and negative repercussions. There was no way a straight no holds barred flow would allow OTS hiring to remain unimpeded. I remember a year ago folks were claiming it could be alongside DGI. Lifers wanted their gimme and felt fine that the next generation could wait because they had to. EDV pilots wanted flow and got it, warts and all. It was openly discussed that if you were motivated, prepared to interview, etc flow could be more of a hindrance.
You cant predict the outcome of a thing that never happened. Delta half assed this since 2017, RG RE both knew its what edv needed. When RG left for DAL RE told everyone in checkairman meetings the flow would happen, finally. The fact he couldnt execute, the fact RE is still here and cant tell everyone "look DAL wont listen to me and they dont know what their doing" doesnt mean u carry managments water. Hes got a mortgage to pay like all those managers, they are a servant to the master, they dont get to tell the truth. Fact is, the current situation is untenable. Deltas betting things change in their favor, im betting you get more leverage not less. I wouldnt stick around if jetblue is calling. Were taking so many ex edv guys from spirit and jetblue now it almost excuses the years of guys telling stories about it when it wasnt.

A better flow would have netted more new hires. I don't have any proof, i just know its true.
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Old 04-29-2022, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
Except that management did all of that, not the pilots.
ALPA agreed to it without a pilot vote. It wasn’t forced on them. It is what it is and it’s all done, but anybody knew last year that the flow would absolutely affect OTS hiring if feed got scarce, that’s all.

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A “better flow” wasn’t possible without DALPA involved, and we all know what happened there. You and I both know from seeing how it’s been the last few years, action is only taken when it’s crisis mode. Everything is “fine” until “holy hell, we’re on fire”. I don’t know what hiring numbers are, I assume with somewhat of a waitlist they are getting roughly the numbers they want, it’s CAs that are the issue. If they needed to stack newhires they’d bump up classes and make folks wait longer for OE just to have them on property, as other RJs are doing. Right now every other RJ operator is waiting for one to shut up shop so they can pick the bones. I’m not carrying any water, not sure why you accuse me of it, you can go through my posts and not long back I was giving plenty of praise to EDV ALPA for the work they’ve done since the restructuring agreement. Just stated that of course hiring from EDV would change in light of a flow, so as not to drain it dry.
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Old 04-29-2022, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases View Post
ALPA agreed to it without a pilot vote. It wasn’t forced on them. It is what it is and it’s all done, but anybody knew last year that the flow would absolutely affect OTS hiring if feed got scarce, that’s all.
It's always been that way, here is a post I made in 2015.
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Flows and SSPs are metering programs for the wholly owned. They are not jobs programs, or gifts. In the past, until Comair screwed it up, wholly owned carriers got seniority numbers.

The point of these programs is to allow the mainline to hire off the street instead of hiring everyone at the WO first. In other words, these programs are designed to keep you here, and maybe get you to mainline someday.
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Old 04-29-2022, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by turbinepilot2 View Post
Couple of questions for you guys who know. I currently have a job flying right seat for a Part 135 jet company and life is not too bad, but management is not offering any COL/inflationary pay raises and they refuse to upgrade me for some reason, not sure why, they rarely upgrade anyone. EDV is on my mind again as I live near Atlanta and they base here.

1. Help me estimate my pay. I currently make $70k without per diem- gotta beat that by a fair amount for it to be worthwhile. The APC pay scale page for EDV is $53 per block hour, low, but I am bringing to the table a CRJ type plus 1,500 hours of prior 121 right seat time with an EDV competitor. What are they going to offer for sign on bonuses and prior "qualifying experience" bonuses?

2. If I am junior based in NY or CVG, what am I looking at until getting my desired ATL base (any plane)? 8 months? 10? It's a huge hassle to junior base commute. It appears judging from various posts to be quite a period of time before getting ATL.

3. Any other thoughts you would like to add?

Thanks!
As a pilot with over 1500 121 time, you’ll be able to come in as a street Captain. Somewhere around $100/hour, plus a big bonus. However, you’ll be a street Captain with perpetual low seniority in position for several years.
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Old 04-29-2022, 06:51 PM
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Thanks guys! All good info.

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Old 04-30-2022, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
It's always been that way, here is a post I made in 2015.
Don’t disagree Mesabahhhh. Flow has always been there to try and keep folks hanging around. FWIW I would never tell someone to wait; take the first “career job” that calls and go there. Make another chess move after if you aren’t at your end game, if needed.
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Old 05-03-2022, 05:58 AM
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I know there can be lengthy gaps between sims and OE. What about after groundschool to FTD’s? Are gaps normal, or do most just go straight to the FTD? TIA.
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