New Hire Thread
 

I figured make a separate thread for new hire questions for those who got the CJO, as I am sure that number is starting to increase. I figure it should last a page or two before it's entirely derailed :)

1) where are new hires staying in MSP?
2) is senority assigned on day one?
3) when does one bid for base and type?
4) do we get jumpseat privileges right away?
5) is a weekend or two home during training doable/recommended?

Do not publicly discuss the hotels on an internet forum. Thank you!

1. You usually stay somewhere near the mall. Don't really want to say much more.
2. and 3. You get a list of openings and you bid for it within the first couple of days, from what I remember.
4. You get your crew badge the first day, I believe.
5. You get positive space back and forth on the weekends. I highly suggest that you do it, but some people can't handle the distraction of going back and forth.

Didn't know that was a no-go!

How long after the phase 2 interview/CJO did everyone hear back for MSP appointment?

They told me at the end of my interview that I would be invited to MSP. The actual email with details on my trip to MSP didn't come until I believe 2 days later, asking me which day out of their options was best for me.

~1 month prior to class start date. Get a welcome email that has an ICIMS link to update things as well as an additional email for background check information.

We don’t discuss hotels due to security reasons, But at last count there were 5 hotels they can use. It really depends on what phase of training your in.

Traveling Home - I highly stress you don’t. Spend your time either in group or individual study. There are stage exams that require 80% to pass. While the training department is willing to help, they will not coddle. They expect you to know the material BEFORE class or training session, so they can teach you how to put it together. Most new-hires are coming from a CFI background with little to no turbine / high-performance knowledge or experience. Your going to have to cover that gap. This is doable, but effort in equals performance out.


Best of luck and welcome to Endeavor.

I highly stress you DO go home. Work/life balance is extremely important. Don't burn yourself out during training. Yes, it's drinking water from a fire hose, but it's manageable. Be diligent about studying and ask lots of good questions. They will teach you what you need to know.

Ground school is pretty easy. Focus on it one step at a time. Before class make sure you have IFR procedures down cold. There also are a couple good Quizlets (trust, but verify) about limitations and memory items once you know your airplane. Don't go too deep into anything they don't tell you to before class, they want to teach you the Endeavor way. It's far easier to learn it correctly the first time. Between ground school and FTD/sims, know the normal procedures, supplemental procedures (specifically the FFOD checks), and profiles before you get in the box.

Be disciplined in your studies, but make sure to make time for family/loved ones and enjoy it. Our training department is good. Oh yeah, "You'll learn that on the line!"

Aft FA says DO NOT go home weekends.
Forward FA says DO go home weekends.
What do I do!?

You can do both, just not every weekend. Maintain work/life balance. If you need a weekend at home to achieve that, do it. But you also need to know when to put the nose to the grindstone, those weekends skip going home.

Exactly what green needles said. Study as much as you can during the week and go home on the weekends. I went home every weekend during ground school. It's nice to get away for 2 days after a week of being in the books. That quote is very true. They say you will learn it on the line and then during oe lcps are like wtf...

Super secret OE shortcut: you need to open a bottle of Niagara water without spilling, then cleanly tear and Mesabagami the release. If you can satisfactorily complete these two tasks on your first leg of OE, you immediately pass and are promoted to Captain. :D:D:D

Lately I've been getting bottles that aren't filled to the brim. It's nice not spilling a qtr of it on yourself when you're opening it

You’re exactly correct! A work/life balance is extremely important, absolutely agree. Just not while you in initial training. Gut this out for the 3 months, if you have extended time off (not a 2 day weekend) then use your discretion.
I don’t know what you guys/gals are seeing, but FTD or procedures trainer is where a lot of folks get hung up. You need to give yourself time to understand the systems and procedures.

someone grieved it.

Has anyone received a class date in the last week or two care to share how far out they are currently?

At the moment they’re offering mid-September through early October.

I was there very recently and got end of September for training date (little earlier for ATP CTP)

Edit: With that being said, they are now processing people both at HQ and also a building owned by Delta due to the amount of new-hire processing.

Absolutely go home when you can. Especially if you are married and/or have kids. The ground school isn’t that hard that 2 days away should be an issue.

As for jumpseat, I believe it is after the first couple days you’ll get your ID. Then you can jumpseat.

Hotel will be a decent “suite” type hotel with a kitchenette so you can cook if you choose to. They really take good care of you with the hotel.

Seniority is based on last 4 of your social. Highest number is most senior.

I can't wait till the may and June 900 new hires finish OE.

Company is required to positive space you home and back if you have more than two days in a row off of training, but you have to ask!

agree 100000%

As to going home on weekends, it depends on a lot of things. Are you feeling well caught up/ahead on your study schedule, how well do you study at home vs in groups, how long/arduous is the trip home from MSP, how well can you unwind in Minneapolis?

Speaking for myself, I live far enough from MSP to make driving in daily a pain, but close enough that going home for even half a weekend was very doable. I probably went home a third to a half of weekends. Keeping in mind that my experience was 6 years ago, I found new hire training pretty easy, though I'd studied jet systems in the past, so relatively little was completely new to me. I also don't tend to study well in large groups, so most of the time I'd study either alone or with 1 or 2 other folks.

Minneapolis can also be a great place to unwind. I took my bicycle with me when I went to new hire training, and the biking/walking trails around the Twin Cities are amazing. The light rail is also an excellent option to get into town for a bit if you're staying near MoA. I sometimes even take the train to go relax in a park instead of taking a day room if I have a long sit in MSP...

...although heads up that Minneapolis is still kind of a broken city after last summer. If you're unfamiliar as a new hire, then get familiar before heading into the city. Minneapolis is worth it.

Like a lot of cities, there are good areas and areas to stay away from. I lived in St. Louis for a number of years. Many nice areas. Others, if I had to go though at night I would not stop at a red light.

What I tend to notice from new hires at any company domiciled in MSP, is they naturally believe they have to live in Minneapolis. I’ve lived in Minnesota my entire short life, St. Paul is safer and actually a faster commute. It’s 15 minutes from down town St. Paul to MSP taking highway 5. Downtown Minneapolis is closer to a 40 minute drive taking 35W south. South Minneapolis, specifically “Uptown” is where I see a lot of pilots initially start, complain about the 30 minute drive to go 15 miles, and end up in Bloomington or St. Paul. I highly recommend looking into the West 7th street area in St. Paul, extremely underrated night out scene, with a short 10-15 minute drive to the airport.

Stay the hell away from Brooklyn Park (Northwest Minneapolis). Southwest Minneapolis is just fine, starts at Uptown and moves west to Eden Prairie, Edina (nicknamed “Cake Eaters), Minnetonka, Wayzata (Richest of them all), and Chaska.

I know the light rail connects through both terminals at MSP. I would not suggest using it to commute north bound. You will stop at a very notorious area on East Lake St. If you remember watching the Target, liquor store, and 3rd police precinct burn down on national TV, that stop is exactly in the center of it all. Police unfortunately do not patrol the light rail for proof of ticket purchase. The politics of the state decided it was racist to do so, because most civilians who take the light rail are minorities. Naturally that has made traveling on the rail extremely dangerous for everyone involved, especially through certain areas.

I still feel safer in Minneapolis than most other major US cities. And I used to live just a few blocks from where all the **** happened...

What should I study prior to class date? Normal procedures? Limitations? Flows?

Nothing. Just do what they tell you to do. Start with Indoc and go from there. Take it one step at a time. They will tell you what you need to do, when you need to do it. We have a great training department. Trust them.

Logbook Review today
 

What’s going on guys? Just completed my logbook review today. Endeavor is now offering nov class dates.

New hire questions
 

I’m about to submit my AP, but I have a few questions:
How long is the training footprint, including Indoc, sim and OE? Is it all done at the old NATCO building? Is training paid at a flat rate? Is a car recommended for training, or does the hotel cover travel to/from training, hotel and the airport. Thanks Guys.

1) 3-4 months approximately.
2) No, that building no longer exists.
3) Training pay is 75 hours min guarantee, no per diem unless you’re training outside of MSP.
4) Hotel provides the shuttle service or company arranged transportation if shuttle is not available. To the training center/ hotel/ airport only. Some hotels may have a courtesy shuttle to other places. No other transportation services provided.

PS.
 

Is there a training contract at endeavor?

Yes, approximately $2300 for your ATP-CTP.

PS.
 

Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it.

Glad to see classes are filling up

Only if you need ctp

Junior Bases
 

Good Afternoon, this question may have been asked earlier in the thread, I apologize if so. Is it possible to get MSP out of training? If not How long and what are junior bases? What is the advertised time to reach main-line if hired in the next few months?

Thank you!

MSP is a junior 200 FO base, high probability of getting it during training.

Several years if you are talking about DGI.

8 years for a 50/50 shot at DL.