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Old 12-18-2021, 07:59 AM
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The company is always moving the goal posts in regards to trip quality and productivity. In addition they’re trying to cover a large amount of block hours with less people. The good high block regional segments go to either Skywest or Republic. We get what’s left over. In addition we carry a percentage of extra reserves and aircraft to cover what they can’t. Seasonal bidding challenges are hard to foresee as well. I’ve been here for a long time. And 3 years ago I was bidding very differently than I am now with good success. Today it seems more hit or miss. And to top it off it’s almost impossible for schedule improvement in open time. And drops are not possible. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I’m still trying to figure it out
​​​​​​Everything is perfect according to the union, that's why they took it upon themselves to sign a 10 year deal without any contractual improvements. LOA's falling from the sky like Skittles! 😂
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Old 12-18-2021, 08:08 AM
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​​​​​​Everything is perfect according to the union, that's why they took it upon themselves to sign a 10 year deal without any contractual improvements. LOA's falling from the sky like Skittles! 😂
I mean... That's pretty dramatic....I guess a flow for a FIVE year extension wasn't good enough for you? I'm not even sure how you get to 10 years unless you're just swimming in hyperbole. Expires at the end of 2028.... Not to mention they got the CAP loa clean?? Lol no concessions for a permanent flow? Still have the highest rates in the regional industry?? We've got work to do, but at the end of the day I feel pretty good about what they've accomplished
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I mean... That's pretty dramatic....I guess a flow for a FIVE year extension wasn't good enough for you? I'm not even sure how you get to 10 years unless you're just swimming in hyperbole. Expires at the end of 2028.... Not to mention they got the CAP loa clean?? Lol no concessions for a permanent flow? Still have the highest rates in the regional industry?? We've got work to do, but at the end of the day I feel pretty good about what they've accomplished
I’m pretty happy with the work that the union is doing. The thing that makes the PBS challenging are a result of the way Delta chooses to run Endeavor. See my post from yesterday for reference on my perspective. Anyway, I don’t think that the union can do much about any of that. A good question and a good example is how many years has the reserve grid been red? That might be something that the union could address. But improvements there would probably come at a cost.
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Old 12-18-2021, 09:32 AM
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I mean... That's pretty dramatic....I guess a flow for a FIVE year extension wasn't good enough for you? I'm not even sure how you get to 10 years unless you're just swimming in hyperbole. Expires at the end of 2028.... Not to mention they got the CAP loa clean?? Lol no concessions for a permanent flow? Still have the highest rates in the regional industry?? We've got work to do, but at the end of the day I feel pretty good about what they've accomplished
​​​1% pay increase per year is not a concession? I didn't know that! Thanks!
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Old 12-18-2021, 11:33 AM
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​​​1% pay increase per year is not a concession? I didn't know that! Thanks!
1% starts after 2024. Most of the pilot group that was here when that was signed won't be here anymore. Also willing to bet that percentage does increase when it needs too.
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Old 12-18-2021, 01:56 PM
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​​​1% pay increase per year is not a concession? I didn't know that! Thanks!
What were our contractual pay raises when we went from $30 an hour to $60 an hour? I'll have to check my pay stubs
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I’m pretty happy with the work that the union is doing. The thing that makes the PBS challenging are a result of the way Delta chooses to run Endeavor. See my post from yesterday for reference on my perspective. Anyway, I don’t think that the union can do much about any of that. A good question and a good example is how many years has the reserve grid been red? That might be something that the union could address. But improvements there would probably come at a cost.
Exactly... If you listen to ANY of the union leadership, company leadership, or pbs guys, they'll tell you that there's just nothing more they can do with the flight schedules Delta is handing us. We're flying some real regional schedules now, and it kinda sucks. A friend of mine at PSA said he did a 9 hour 4 day once. (Obviously guarantee saved him) but we aren't the only ones on earth with unproductive schedules. We just aren't used to it
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Old 12-19-2021, 02:49 AM
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The best way for ALPA to deal with PBS is to get rid of it. Return to Hard Lines and stop apologizing for bad pairings and lousy lines.
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Old 12-19-2021, 06:27 AM
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What were our contractual pay raises when we went from $30 an hour to $60 an hour? I'll have to check my pay stubs
​​​​​​Are you serious? From the bankruptcy rate?
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Old 12-19-2021, 09:10 AM
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​​​​​​Are you serious? From the bankruptcy rate?
Yea. Very serious. You're saying our 1% contractual raises are bogus. But what were we contractually owed when we got loa 91? Or the retention bonuses before it? Market forces will drive us up. But they won't drive us down without another BK. In which case... It doesn't matter what your contractual rates are.

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