Zerosilver84

Well doesn't matter anymore as delta is only interviewing 10 edv pilots a month and talking 5 a month ots. The orange lanyard is no longer a thing but I get what you're saying. Goal was progression for all and everyone on the ISL will go to delta. Nobody said how long it would take.

JonGoodsell764

And now Endeavor is basically Envoy/PDT/PSA with crappy work rules, unproductive schedules, and low morale. Wouldn’t be shocked to see forced upgrades not too far down line, either. Heck, envoy is probably a better place to be if Delta is your goal then at Endeavor. Anyone that thought the flow was a good idea didn’t do their homework.


It’s a shame Delta is being forced to not interview pilots who actually deserve an interview versus taking pilots with zero merit and have already failed the interview process.

Zerosilver84

Well forced upgrades are kinda a thing...if you take the retention money you have to take the first available upgrade. But yeah I'm refusing to upgrade til I can either hold dtw...and or not be on rsv. I like my fo schedule too much.

Yes if you want delta. Going to an AA WO will get you there faster....or commute air and gojet.

Excargodog

When you don’t have enough CAs to match your FOs, there are going to be unproductive schedules, crappy work rules, and low morale. And anyone ELIGIBLE for upgrade who DOESN’T upgrade represents at least 1000 hours of 121 CA hours invested in their career that they are either unwilling or unable to pay forward to keep the regional viable. So yeah, time for that regional to stop wasting CA hours bringing that SIC along.

Right now the regionals are in a death spiral and likely only a recession will save them. For anyone who has less than 500 SIC, you really ought to have your applications out to every ULCC and ACMI that you could work at to get a second type on a larger aircraft and the rest of the TSIC it will take to get you competitive to a legacy. If you are waiting for flow you are going to wait quite a while, and be having to pray daily that your regional holds together long enough for you to eventually get there.

Zerosilver84

Couldn't of said it better!
But yet we have new hires who are still in ground school taking the retention bonus....not a smart decision and if the extra 14k makes or break you well you need to rethink your financial planning.

Yumyum

Lots of unknowns. Two sides of the coin here. Most of the new pilots “less than 3 years” haven’t experienced a furlough merger bankruptcy base closure ect…the sh/t can hit the fan in a nanosecond. We all got lucky with covid…most of our arses shoulda been on the street …thank you bailouts!!! Let the decision making go to the actual candidate. There will be a correction…we just don’t know when.

edv2021

I disagree with the idea that people who “actually deserve” an interview are being left behind. Just because delta subjectively thinks person A is better than person B (and it is entirely subjective) doesn’t mean that someone who has flown delta passengers on delta metal for the past 15 years is less qualified to go to delta. And I say that as someone who is junior here. I think people need to get over their egos and realize that anyone who has been flying delta pax is perfectly qualified to fly for delta.

I really just get tired of hearing how we aren’t qualified to fly for delta when all we do is fly for delta… just inexpensively.

Excargodog

“Deserving“ is entirely subjective. Competitive can be demonstrated by actual numbers. Some people do things that make them more competitive, some don’t. Some people do things that make them less competitive. Some don’t.

edv2021

In my opinion, “flying delta passengers on delta planes” should make you competitive to fly for delta in of itself. Unless someone thinks we are qualified to fly delta passengers on a CRJ but would be unqualified to do the exact same work on a 717.

Excargodog

Nope. Flying Delta Connection makes you qualified - that’s an FAA decision - it doesn’t make you competitive - that’s a Delta decision. And until you are competitive, they’d rather have you at a Delta Connection regional providing them cheap feed.

It isn’t personal, it’s just business.