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Old 07-09-2022, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF View Post
Not really an open letter to Mgmt...it was a letter to the pilot group stating that he, along with EDV MEC Chair went to DL Mgmt to talk possible solutions.



If you got a buddy at mainline, have them look at the MEC Chair email dated 4 March for the full letter, but here is what he said about EDV and mainline:

"We again offered to engage on solutions that would better help solve the retention issue at Endeavor while bringing value to the Delta PWA rather than waste it on ineffective bonuses. Unfortunately, Delta management was not interested in engaging on possible solutions. Ultimately, the best way to ensure proper staffing for Delta’s regional flying is to bring those aircraft, and pilots, to the mainline."
thanks 🙏 for the info, I would love to have an idea what their plan is. This is not gonna end well if they do not respond soon. As of July 1 we are down 44 pilots for the month of July.
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Old 07-09-2022, 04:10 PM
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thanks 🙏 for the info, I would love to have an idea what their plan is. This is not gonna end well if they do not respond soon. As of July 1 we are down 44 pilots for the month of July.
Youve lost bigger percentages of pilots in the past and delta didnt care. If it keeps up for 6 months, and i mean hammers them, theyll do something. The problem is, even after dal managment "sets its mind" to doing something it still takes months and pilots have to buy in, they often won't. At this point EDV has a problem, they overpromise and under deliver and they wont do the right thing on their own.

​​​​I think Delta needs to be real careful here, and put this thing to bed early. Theyre about to FAFO all over again. I dont know if the present or future edv pilots give a ****, management might find out theyre the only ones that do.
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Old 07-09-2022, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF View Post
Not really an open letter to Mgmt...it was a letter to the pilot group stating that he, along with EDV MEC Chair went to DL Mgmt to talk possible solutions.



If you got a buddy at mainline, have them look at the MEC Chair email dated 4 March for the full letter, but here is what he said about EDV and mainline:

"We again offered to engage on solutions that would better help solve the retention issue at Endeavor while bringing value to the Delta PWA rather than waste it on ineffective bonuses. Unfortunately, Delta management was not interested in engaging on possible solutions. Ultimately, the best way to ensure proper staffing for Delta’s regional flying is to bring those aircraft, and pilots, to the mainline."
Thank you for correcting me on that. I had the general idea right but the wrong terminology.
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Old 07-10-2022, 06:40 AM
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Two words that would by default make a merger practically a staple job

“Career expectations”
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Old 07-10-2022, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB View Post
Two words that would by default make a merger practically a staple job

“Career expectations”
In the real world the arbitrator has a pretty good idea what he/she is gonna do. Bloch did. Theyll find ways to massage the list to "adjust" for career expectations. Problem is, even if the senior guy falls on the 50% line instead of the 99.9% line you might see delta guys decertify and block the SLI like airways did. Fences forever.
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Old 07-10-2022, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB View Post
Two words that would by default make a merger practically a staple job

“Career expectations”
In the real world the arbitrator has a pretty good idea what he/she is gonna do. Bloch did. Theyll find ways to massage the list to "adjust" for career expectations. Problem is, even if the senior guy falls on the 50% line instead of the 99.9% line you might see delta guys decertify and block the SLI like airways did. Fences forever.

Pilots get a little touchy about seniority
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Old 07-10-2022, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown View Post
In the real world the arbitrator has a pretty good idea what he/she is gonna do. Bloch did. Theyll find ways to massage the list to "adjust" for career expectations. Problem is, even if the senior guy falls on the 50% line instead of the 99.9% line you might see delta guys decertify and block the SLI like airways did. Fences forever.

Pilots get a little touchy about seniority
USAir guys got screwed.
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Old 07-10-2022, 06:03 PM
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USAir guys got screwed.
They fended off cactus for ten years and during the american merger the arbitrator kept what airways pilots did to cactus. Cactus pilots got honked the hardest, airways got some, but cactus should have done much better if airways didnt push the nuke button.
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Old 07-10-2022, 08:15 PM
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USAir guys got screwed.
They really didn’t, they had pilots furloughed back 17 years while America West was actively hiring, and Airways was weeks away from shutting down due to lack of cash after 2 consecutive failed bankruptcies. Furloughed pilots at the time of merger were stapled per ALPA merger policy. Airways pilots got a huge windfall with the top 300 or so slots on the list belonging to them to compensate for their international flying.
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Old 07-13-2022, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN View Post
Your own CEO stated Endeavor intentionally takes on less flying than they can handle, then covers flying for another carrier if they can’t handle a few flights.

That’s like you running 2 laps in a Relay Race while everyone else runs 5 laps then bragging about “covering” for an extra lap. LOL

Sounds like you guys tried to compete with the big boys these past few months by running 5 laps. Sounds like it didn’t go well…. Raises a lot of questions whether you can actually be an efficient airline if you ask me.

Delta doesn’t need you, they NEED more A220’s to replace the 900 routes so you guys can replace your 200 routes with the 900.
Theyll need us to fly the 220s.. Efficient? Tell me who is and fully staffed? You think Delta, United or American are efficient? Good luck with that thought process.. My airline is better than yours lol!!
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