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theUpsideDown 07-02-2022 08:18 AM

Hehe, you all don't realize how close we were to shutting down at the end of 2014 and projected into 2015. Will they let you shut down now? IDK anymore. I would have thought youd have 2x the attrition, but if its anything like 2014, rate of attrition will increase % and # wise the smaller the list gets. The only thing slowing down attrition now is probably that management isnt actively telling you to leave, and giving free classes on resumes and interview strategies.

NuGuy 07-02-2022 09:06 AM

So, for a non-EDV guy, is this some new crisis, existential threat, announcement or catastrophe? Or just business as usual and it's the normal Friday "we're all doomed" thread.

Zerosilver84 07-02-2022 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3453446)
So, for a non-EDV guy, is this some new crisis, existential threat, announcement or catastrophe? Or just business as usual and it's the normal Friday "we're all doomed" thread.

No this is new..well at least in the last month. Has a lot to do with what AA WO did. Attrition in June was the most I've seen since I've been here (2019) and unless something gets done soon to match it then July's attrition will be a new high. Since we started hiring after the pandemic we are still negative pilots.

DeferralsRUs 07-02-2022 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3453446)
So, for a non-EDV guy, is this some new crisis, existential threat, announcement or catastrophe? Or just business as usual and it's the normal Friday "we're all doomed" thread.

Aren't all regionals doomed?

Str8 Cash Homie 07-02-2022 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by Zerosilver84 (Post 3453530)
No this is new..well at least in the last month. Has a lot to do with what AA WO did. Attrition in June was the most I've seen since I've been here (2019) and unless something gets done soon to match it then July's attrition will be a new high. Since we started hiring after the pandemic we are still negative pilots.

Endeavor 2022 pilot attrition

January 1st, 2022: 1,996 pilots
June 21st, 2022: 2,004 pilots

Net gain: 8 pilots

Attrition numbers by month
January: 57 gone
February: 55 gone
March: 52 gone
April: 44 gone
May: 71 gone
June: 75 gone

Kforekyle 07-02-2022 11:04 AM

The CEO said himself that the airline is going to shrink. Whether they let the airline bleed out is yet to be seen. Endeavor is the biggest gamble out there right now and they are not doing anything to change that. The best bet is to leave if you can or not come here in the first place.

NotMe 07-02-2022 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Str8 Cash Homie (Post 3453545)
Endeavor 2022 pilot attrition

January 1st, 2022: 1,996 pilots
June 21st, 2022: 2,004 pilots

Net gain: 8 pilots

Attrition numbers by month
January: 57 gone
February: 55 gone
March: 52 gone
April: 52 gone
May: 71 gone
June: 75 gone


Most of the pilots who left Endeavor in June made the decision to leave many months ago. We won’t see the full effect of the AA deal for another month or more. Expect record levels of attrition in the August/September time frame. By then it will be too late for the company to turn things around…

24Whiskey 07-02-2022 12:30 PM

For context it’s been stated before that 60 new hires a month is the maximum training can stand. That number might have increased in the last few months but I’m not certain.

Kforekyle 07-02-2022 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by 24Whiskey (Post 3453610)
For context it’s been stated before that 60 new hires a month is the maximum training can stand. That number might have increased in the last few months but I’m not certain.

They are going to wind up sending the simulators to Kingman along with the aircraft they can staff.

Zerosilver84 07-02-2022 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Str8 Cash Homie (Post 3453545)
Endeavor 2022 pilot attrition

January 1st, 2022: 1,996 pilots
June 21st, 2022: 2,004 pilots

Net gain: 8 pilots

Attrition numbers by month
January: 57 gone
February: 55 gone
March: 52 gone
April: 44 gone
May: 71 gone
June: 75 gone

That 2004 from June 27 doesn't include the 74 that left this month. So it's actually a net loss.


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