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DeferralsRUs 07-01-2022 07:34 AM

Closing Date
 
Anyone wanna make guesses on the shutdown date?

I'll take Q1 2023

ninerdriver 07-01-2022 08:56 AM

I have $20 on y'all need to stop being so dramatic.

Shrinkage? Sure. Closing? The only way that happens is if Delta decides to cede NYC to AmeriBlue. Delta can replace us in every other base, because every other base that we operate in is easy. However, they have no one else who can do NYC like 9E can - not even mainline. That's not a boast, either. That's just stats.

CFIsoonToBeFO 07-01-2022 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by DeferralsRUs (Post 3452581)
Anyone wanna make guesses on the shutdown date?

I'll take Q1 2023

How are they going to shrink if everyone keeps “waiting to see” what they offer. The more you stay and wait, the less pilots openings AA WO will have. By the time you decide to leave Endeavor, there will be no openings. You do realize they have had THOUSANDS of applications already. Every 1500 CFI has applied too.

overqualified52 07-01-2022 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by DeferralsRUs (Post 3452581)
Anyone wanna make guesses on the shutdown date?

I'll take Q1 2023

There is no way they are shutting us down. “mainline” can’t even handle the flying they got , Republic and Skywest as well. The only thing that could throw a wrench in anything is if the Delta pilots go on strike , which Pete probably would not allow that to happen . I was around for the 98’ NW strike. Everything was shut down for about 3 weeks or so . Free vacation . So much of the DCI flying has to be done by Union represented pilots .

flyingfiddler 07-01-2022 10:42 AM

We'll see. The question is how much/how fast can we shrink before the line operation completely falls apart? I don't think they want to shut us down, but if they can no longer rely on us to cover the schedule that calculus might change...

PadraicPearse 07-01-2022 11:07 AM

This ship is unsinkable, said the captain of the Titanic.

DeferralsRUs 07-01-2022 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by PadraicPearse (Post 3452769)
This ship is unsinkable, said the captain of the Titanic.

I believe after Titanic he went on to a long career based in MSP flying the avro

DeferralsRUs 07-01-2022 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 3452699)
There is no way they are shutting us down. “mainline” can’t even handle the flying they got , Republic and Skywest as well. The only thing that could throw a wrench in anything is if the Delta pilots go on strike , which Pete probably would not allow that to happen . I was around for the 98’ NW strike. Everything was shut down for about 3 weeks or so . Free vacation . So much of the DCI flying has to be done by Union represented pilots .

Hate to break it to you gramps but the world has changed since 98'. Like most FOs were born for starters. In this industry anything can change. Look at a lot of places we once overnighted now operated by mainline. To say we will never shutdown is a guarantee no one can make

FliesInSoup 07-01-2022 03:44 PM

9E shutdown? Not a chance. Not gonna happen. Sorry.

Delta has some sort of trigger point such as not being able to fully staff the 900's after first parking the 200's. Once the trigger occurs a new round of pilot incentives will be rolled out. It may take the form of mainline pay equality, but you have flow to Delta when your number is up or go back to current pay. Such a program will also have a sunset date.

A seniority number at Delta would fix attrition but money seems to be the preferred incentive.

Enjoy the free meals in the meantime. Small but nice perk. 9E management is working with what they have been given.

Oh, and if things aren't happening fast enough for you, leave. Many already have and many more will. Of all the votes you could cast that's the one that matters the most.

TransWorld 07-01-2022 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by DeferralsRUs (Post 3452581)
Anyone wanna make guesses on the shutdown date?

I'll take Q1 2023


I think several other regionals will shut down or merge by then. Don’t think Endeavor. May shrink. May get stapled. May not. Hard to say.


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