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11-15-2022, 10:44 AM
#63
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
I think youre going to find out they really didnt think that much about you after the strike, and they didnt send gummy to shut her down. With the operational failures in nyc and dtw which i doubt were heavily pilots fault, they werent going to put the muscle and time into Comair when Skywest and Gojets didnt just fly the planes for cheap, theyd lease them too. It was the same resistance when delta bought pinnacle, but until air wisconsin had told delta to go screw and as regionals started demanding more profit (because delta shut down their wholly owned and knew edv was next) suddenly edv made sense. You guys, as expensive as the pilots were with few new hires, were meant to scare regionals from asking for more. They didnt hate you. They just thought they could coast after shutting you down, and they couldnt, which is why buying pinnacle made sense. Its why edv was saved late 2014. Edvs cost stucture was "out of control" too. The captains were topped out and a lot of the FOs were still being paid as captains to sit right seat. Once the new hires came in, wow werent we cheap again. Youre starting to see now how much that flying is worth in reality.
The operational failures in NYC? Have you ever operated there? (Rhetorical question, I know you have). NYC is where Delta sends regionals to die because NOBODY can keep a schedule there and it makes for a perfect excuse to penalize you for "not making your goals". Nevertheless they did hate us. Both the pilots and management. If you don't believe me, ask your Delta buddies how many Comair pilots were hired by mainline Delta. It's a really small number.
It's also rich that you speak of "saving" Endeavor. All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor took concessions to "save the company" and undercut all the other regionals who were in negotiations. Pretty laughable to turn around years later and act like you were some sort of geniuses. It's called selling out.
Originally Posted by PadraicPearse
It's interesting people are bringing up Comair. It seems to me to be a passive threat to the MEC to ratify the new rates without the retro pay...the threat of shutdown and all.
Typical management toadies. Get a life, losers.
Typical management toadies. Get a life, losers.
I'm a pilot for a major airline that's nowhere close to the Delta "family". Not in management. Settle down Karen. Just passing a little wisdom along from a generation ago. You know that whole learn from history or repeat it thing.
11-15-2022, 11:51 AM
#64
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Were you there? Or were you in high school? I think you're talking out your ass.
The operational failures in NYC? Have you ever operated there? (Rhetorical question, I know you have). NYC is where Delta sends regionals to die because NOBODY can keep a schedule there and it makes for a perfect excuse to penalize you for "not making your goals". Nevertheless they did hate us. Both the pilots and management. If you don't believe me, ask your Delta buddies how many Comair pilots were hired by mainline Delta. It's a really small number.
It's also rich that you speak of "saving" Endeavor. All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor took concessions to "save the company" and undercut all the other regionals who were in negotiations. Pretty laughable to turn around years later and act like you were some sort of geniuses. It's called selling out.
Management toadies? Losers? Lol.
I'm a pilot for a major airline that's nowhere close to the Delta "family". Not in management. Settle down Karen. Just passing a little wisdom along from a generation ago. You know that whole learn from history or repeat it thing.
The operational failures in NYC? Have you ever operated there? (Rhetorical question, I know you have). NYC is where Delta sends regionals to die because NOBODY can keep a schedule there and it makes for a perfect excuse to penalize you for "not making your goals". Nevertheless they did hate us. Both the pilots and management. If you don't believe me, ask your Delta buddies how many Comair pilots were hired by mainline Delta. It's a really small number.
It's also rich that you speak of "saving" Endeavor. All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor took concessions to "save the company" and undercut all the other regionals who were in negotiations. Pretty laughable to turn around years later and act like you were some sort of geniuses. It's called selling out.
Management toadies? Losers? Lol.
I'm a pilot for a major airline that's nowhere close to the Delta "family". Not in management. Settle down Karen. Just passing a little wisdom along from a generation ago. You know that whole learn from history or repeat it thing.
Good decision.
Who here now wants to be low-payed "major" pilot?
Not me
11-15-2022, 11:57 AM
#65
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Were you there? Or were you in high school? I think you're talking out your ass.
The operational failures in NYC? Have you ever operated there? (Rhetorical question, I know you have). NYC is where Delta sends regionals to die because NOBODY can keep a schedule there and it makes for a perfect excuse to penalize you for "not making your goals". Nevertheless they did hate us. Both the pilots and management. If you don't believe me, ask your Delta buddies how many Comair pilots were hired by mainline Delta. It's a really small number.
It's also rich that you speak of "saving" Endeavor. All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor took concessions to "save the company" and undercut all the other regionals who were in negotiations. Pretty laughable to turn around years later and act like you were some sort of geniuses. It's called selling out.
Management toadies? Losers? Lol.
I'm a pilot for a major airline that's nowhere close to the Delta "family". Not in management. Settle down Karen. Just passing a little wisdom along from a generation ago. You know that whole learn from history or repeat it thing.
The operational failures in NYC? Have you ever operated there? (Rhetorical question, I know you have). NYC is where Delta sends regionals to die because NOBODY can keep a schedule there and it makes for a perfect excuse to penalize you for "not making your goals". Nevertheless they did hate us. Both the pilots and management. If you don't believe me, ask your Delta buddies how many Comair pilots were hired by mainline Delta. It's a really small number.
It's also rich that you speak of "saving" Endeavor. All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor took concessions to "save the company" and undercut all the other regionals who were in negotiations. Pretty laughable to turn around years later and act like you were some sort of geniuses. It's called selling out.
Management toadies? Losers? Lol.
I'm a pilot for a major airline that's nowhere close to the Delta "family". Not in management. Settle down Karen. Just passing a little wisdom along from a generation ago. You know that whole learn from history or repeat it thing.
11-16-2022, 10:11 PM
#66
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Were you there? Or were you in high school? I think you're talking out your ass.
The operational failures in NYC? Have you ever operated there? (Rhetorical question, I know you have). NYC is where Delta sends regionals to die because NOBODY can keep a schedule there and it makes for a perfect excuse to penalize you for "not making your goals". Nevertheless they did hate us. Both the pilots and management. If you don't believe me, ask your Delta buddies how many Comair pilots were hired by mainline Delta. It's a really small number.
It's also rich that you speak of "saving" Endeavor. All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor took concessions to "save the company" and undercut all the other regionals who were in negotiations. Pretty laughable to turn around years later and act like you were some sort of geniuses. It's called selling out..
The operational failures in NYC? Have you ever operated there? (Rhetorical question, I know you have). NYC is where Delta sends regionals to die because NOBODY can keep a schedule there and it makes for a perfect excuse to penalize you for "not making your goals". Nevertheless they did hate us. Both the pilots and management. If you don't believe me, ask your Delta buddies how many Comair pilots were hired by mainline Delta. It's a really small number.
It's also rich that you speak of "saving" Endeavor. All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor took concessions to "save the company" and undercut all the other regionals who were in negotiations. Pretty laughable to turn around years later and act like you were some sort of geniuses. It's called selling out..
1. I didn't claim to be from Comair. I claimed I was from Endeavor and your boss at the end worked at Endeavor and he'd tell anyone that would listen what happened with Comair and how it wouldn't happen at EDV. Which in those days, we all wanted to hear that story if for no other reason than to write it on Guums Link'ed in gravestone for when he became VP of Saber software after running EDV into the ground. For all the stories of Comair shutting down purposefully, there sure were a lot of people ordered to get in there and fix it and a lot of money blown failing to do it.
2. Our numbers were better than Comairs. Gojets was better than Comairs. Not you, but your managers were lazy and it cost you, and that is on management.
3. "my delta buddies" all say the same thing- the jackwagon that ran your union is on a list, everyone from that timeframe remembers his name. Certainly if I tried hard enough I could get 100 guys out of 14000 to say something negative or abrasive about Comair pilots. I would start with the widebody guys because a lot of your captains on narrow bodies won't care who comair was.
4. If everyone will pardon me, I will address this next part as long as you want champ. "All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor" yeah do a favor and shut up there. Everyone makes a choice in Bankruptcy. Our choice was to keep the soft pay (that frankly is harder to get) or keep the rates and carve out the QOL. We chose correctly, which was obvious to anyone with a working brain starting 2015. ASA guys, most notably, couldn't stop giving us crap for our choice because they were so lost in the woods trying to get a contract it brings to mind the parking of pinnacle back in 2011. Braindead, clueless, and self sabotaging, they watched us maneuver ourselves to better pay after the bankruptcy just like Mesaba did years before, with some of the same guys, butstill refused to recognize we were right. But don't worry, you don't have to make that mistake, because all you gotta do is check the scoreboard from 2015 and the next 4 years.
If you haven't heard this, buckle up buttercup. The union and the pilots that run it will do everything they can to get you the best they can, but when Chapters start being filed and the companies that REALLY own the airplanes take a haircut so will you. The only time it hasn't happened was Republic, and that's because they had more planes than pilots. They couldn't shed a load and reboot like every other company has had to. You're going to eat poop 99% of the time, it's gonna suck, and you pray your reps you elected are adults and set you up for a comeback after the bankruptcy. That's the best YOU can do. It's hard to do. Few succeed. We had more success than most.
11-17-2022, 04:52 AM
#67
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Posted by Margarettevlle;
“It's also rich that you speak of "saving" Endeavor. All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor took concessions to "save the company" and undercut all the other regionals who were in negotiations. Pretty laughable to turn around years later and act like you were some sort of geniuses. It's called selling out.”
Just curious what airline you were flying for back then? When we were going through that my number one priority was my family not some random cry baby who blames everyone else but the person in the mirror.. You were responsible for representing and supporting your airline and your union. You weren’t responsible for supporting us, in fact I don’t remember any of the haters offering financial support to pay our bills to jump off the cliff for other Regionals. No Geniuses here we just had to survive.!
“It's also rich that you speak of "saving" Endeavor. All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor took concessions to "save the company" and undercut all the other regionals who were in negotiations. Pretty laughable to turn around years later and act like you were some sort of geniuses. It's called selling out.”
Just curious what airline you were flying for back then? When we were going through that my number one priority was my family not some random cry baby who blames everyone else but the person in the mirror.. You were responsible for representing and supporting your airline and your union. You weren’t responsible for supporting us, in fact I don’t remember any of the haters offering financial support to pay our bills to jump off the cliff for other Regionals. No Geniuses here we just had to survive.!
11-21-2022, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
So there's a lot of dumb here, If I try to untangle it I'll take forever. I assume the other readers can follow along plainly where you're just making up stuff I said, and there's a record of it to compare against, so I'll do my best to be brief. I was out of highschool by a clean shot, but I hadn't MADE it yet because finding an airline gig after 9/11 was tough for a while.
1. I didn't claim to be from Comair. I claimed I was from Endeavor and your boss at the end worked at Endeavor and he'd tell anyone that would listen what happened with Comair and how it wouldn't happen at EDV. Which in those days, we all wanted to hear that story if for no other reason than to write it on Guums Link'ed in gravestone for when he became VP of Saber software after running EDV into the ground. For all the stories of Comair shutting down purposefully, there sure were a lot of people ordered to get in there and fix it and a lot of money blown failing to do it.
2. Our numbers were better than Comairs. Gojets was better than Comairs. Not you, but your managers were lazy and it cost you, and that is on management.
3. "my delta buddies" all say the same thing- the jackwagon that ran your union is on a list, everyone from that timeframe remembers his name. Certainly if I tried hard enough I could get 100 guys out of 14000 to say something negative or abrasive about Comair pilots. I would start with the widebody guys because a lot of your captains on narrow bodies won't care who comair was.
4. If everyone will pardon me, I will address this next part as long as you want champ. "All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor" yeah do a favor and shut up there. Everyone makes a choice in Bankruptcy. Our choice was to keep the soft pay (that frankly is harder to get) or keep the rates and carve out the QOL. We chose correctly, which was obvious to anyone with a working brain starting 2015. ASA guys, most notably, couldn't stop giving us crap for our choice because they were so lost in the woods trying to get a contract it brings to mind the parking of pinnacle back in 2011. Braindead, clueless, and self sabotaging, they watched us maneuver ourselves to better pay after the bankruptcy just like Mesaba did years before, with some of the same guys, butstill refused to recognize we were right. But don't worry, you don't have to make that mistake, because all you gotta do is check the scoreboard from 2015 and the next 4 years.
If you haven't heard this, buckle up buttercup. The union and the pilots that run it will do everything they can to get you the best they can, but when Chapters start being filed and the companies that REALLY own the airplanes take a haircut so will you. The only time it hasn't happened was Republic, and that's because they had more planes than pilots. They couldn't shed a load and reboot like every other company has had to. You're going to eat poop 99% of the time, it's gonna suck, and you pray your reps you elected are adults and set you up for a comeback after the bankruptcy. That's the best YOU can do. It's hard to do. Few succeed. We had more success than most.
1. I didn't claim to be from Comair. I claimed I was from Endeavor and your boss at the end worked at Endeavor and he'd tell anyone that would listen what happened with Comair and how it wouldn't happen at EDV. Which in those days, we all wanted to hear that story if for no other reason than to write it on Guums Link'ed in gravestone for when he became VP of Saber software after running EDV into the ground. For all the stories of Comair shutting down purposefully, there sure were a lot of people ordered to get in there and fix it and a lot of money blown failing to do it.
2. Our numbers were better than Comairs. Gojets was better than Comairs. Not you, but your managers were lazy and it cost you, and that is on management.
3. "my delta buddies" all say the same thing- the jackwagon that ran your union is on a list, everyone from that timeframe remembers his name. Certainly if I tried hard enough I could get 100 guys out of 14000 to say something negative or abrasive about Comair pilots. I would start with the widebody guys because a lot of your captains on narrow bodies won't care who comair was.
4. If everyone will pardon me, I will address this next part as long as you want champ. "All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor" yeah do a favor and shut up there. Everyone makes a choice in Bankruptcy. Our choice was to keep the soft pay (that frankly is harder to get) or keep the rates and carve out the QOL. We chose correctly, which was obvious to anyone with a working brain starting 2015. ASA guys, most notably, couldn't stop giving us crap for our choice because they were so lost in the woods trying to get a contract it brings to mind the parking of pinnacle back in 2011. Braindead, clueless, and self sabotaging, they watched us maneuver ourselves to better pay after the bankruptcy just like Mesaba did years before, with some of the same guys, butstill refused to recognize we were right. But don't worry, you don't have to make that mistake, because all you gotta do is check the scoreboard from 2015 and the next 4 years.
If you haven't heard this, buckle up buttercup. The union and the pilots that run it will do everything they can to get you the best they can, but when Chapters start being filed and the companies that REALLY own the airplanes take a haircut so will you. The only time it hasn't happened was Republic, and that's because they had more planes than pilots. They couldn't shed a load and reboot like every other company has had to. You're going to eat poop 99% of the time, it's gonna suck, and you pray your reps you elected are adults and set you up for a comeback after the bankruptcy. That's the best YOU can do. It's hard to do. Few succeed. We had more success than most.
Originally Posted by legend
Posted by Margarettevlle;
“It's also rich that you speak of "saving" Endeavor. All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor took concessions to "save the company" and undercut all the other regionals who were in negotiations. Pretty laughable to turn around years later and act like you were some sort of geniuses. It's called selling out.”
Just curious what airline you were flying for back then? When we were going through that my number one priority was my family not some random cry baby who blames everyone else but the person in the mirror.. You were responsible for representing and supporting your airline and your union. You weren’t responsible for supporting us, in fact I don’t remember any of the haters offering financial support to pay our bills to jump off the cliff for other Regionals. No Geniuses here we just had to survive.!
“It's also rich that you speak of "saving" Endeavor. All of us remember when Pinnacle/Endeavor took concessions to "save the company" and undercut all the other regionals who were in negotiations. Pretty laughable to turn around years later and act like you were some sort of geniuses. It's called selling out.”
Just curious what airline you were flying for back then? When we were going through that my number one priority was my family not some random cry baby who blames everyone else but the person in the mirror.. You were responsible for representing and supporting your airline and your union. You weren’t responsible for supporting us, in fact I don’t remember any of the haters offering financial support to pay our bills to jump off the cliff for other Regionals. No Geniuses here we just had to survive.!
You guys have at it. I'm done here. You got your unsustainable money, now we'll all see how the next stage plays out.
11-21-2022, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Lol. Guess I hit a nerve. I know better than to argue with a regional lifer who never made it beyond the junior leagues, but thinks he knows it all about the industry. So enjoy your career for a couple more years, lol.
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Hope to see the rest of you edv guys over here soon.
11-30-2022, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Yeah, also have you heard about a plane called the Avro?
Originally Posted by Kingairguy200
Wait. Delta sold mesaba? To pinnacle? I don’t know the full history
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